Diesel hybrid: Peugeot says the 3008Hybrid4 will be the first diesel hybrid to go on sale, next spring.
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Fuel Sipping Diesel Hybrids to Debut in Europe

High fuel prices make the cars cost-effective in Europe.

  • Wednesday, September 8, 2010
  • By Kevin Bullis

Next year, European automakers Peugeot and Mercedes-Benz will introduce the first diesel hybrid cars, which will get about 60 miles per gallon. Peugeot expects to be the first to market with its 3008Hybrid4 in the spring. The Mercedes E 300 Blue Tec hybrid is due out by the end of 2011.

Diesel engines use about 30 percent less fuel than gasoline engines, but automakers have been reluctant to use them in hybrids because they cost more, often adding $1,500 or more to the price of a car. Adding that cost to the premium for hybrid technology, which can run in the thousands of dollars, could make the cars unattractive to many consumers, says Sasha Simon, a product manager for Mercedes. "You're basically combining two price premiums," he says.

The first diesel hybrids will appear in Europe, where diesels are already popular, because fuel prices are high enough for drivers to quickly recoup the added cost. Fuel prices are too low in the United States diesel hybrids to make as much sense for drivers there.

Neither Peugeot nor Mercedes have announced how much the cars will cost. The Peugeot is based on a crossover called the 3008 that costs about $28,000 with a diesel engine. The Mercedes diesel hybrid is based on the Mercedes E250 sedan, which costs about $46,000. It's difficult to predict how much adding the hybrid technology will increase the price of each, since automakers sometimes take a loss on new technology.

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The Peugeot diesel hybrid will use 3.8 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers, based on standard European drive test conditions. That's roughly equivalent to 62 miles per gallon. The Mercedes will use 4.1 liters per 100 kilometers (about 57 miles per gallon). These figures are comparable to the Toyota Prius, which uses 3.9 liters per 100 kilometers in European tests. But the European cars are considerably more powerful. The Prius can put out about 100 kilowatts (134 horsepower), while the Peugeot hits 147 kilowatts (197 horsepower), and the Mercedes 165 kilowatts (221 horsepower). Peugeot says the new hybrid will be about 35 percent more efficient than a diesel-powered car with the same performance.

Only minimal changes are needed to incorporate a diesel engine, rather than a gasoline one, in a hybrid. Diesel engines mainly require a more powerful starter and extra equipment for reducing emissions. The starter technology is particularly important for hybrid vehicles, since the engine is turned off whenever the car stops, or when the power demands can be handled by the electric motor alone, and then quickly restarted when the driver hits the accelerator. The new Peugeot will use a starter that the company developed for its upcoming "microhybrids" (cars that use oversize starters and starter batteries to get some of the efficiency benefits of hybrids). The companies can use emissions controls from their other diesel vehicles.

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mahonj

46 Comments

  • 518 Days Ago
  • 09/08/2010

Hybrid + 4wd

The problem here will be cost, and the fact that diesels are already very efficient.  It will be good for urban areas where there will be less diesel fumes to breath, and will have less impact in rural areas where it matters less.

I wonder if people will be prepared to pay the extra money to get a vehicle which is both 4wd and also very economical.

Time, and the market, will tell.

But a good thing anyway, the best of Europe meets the best of Japan.

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piers

3 Comments

  • 517 Days Ago
  • 09/09/2010

Re: Hybrid + 4wd

The great advantage is that diesel is best for cruising while hybrid excels in city stop and go. However both technologies add weight as diesel motors must be made stronger than their gas counterparts and batteries are heavy!
What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts..

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falstaff

269 Comments

  • 513 Days Ago
  • 09/13/2010

Re: Hybrid + 4wd

Incomplete.  As implied  by others, diesels are very efficient in a fairly narrow RPM range.  The electric motor does not share that limitation, hence the use of diesel-electric combinations in locomotives for decades.

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dmm

270 Comments

  • 518 Days Ago
  • 09/08/2010

powerful starter

It's been pointed out before, but worth mentioning again, that putting the "instant starter" technology into otherwise-standard cars would increase their city mileage significantly, with little added cost.  (It's an extra one hundred or two hundred dollars.)  Moreover, it would reduce emissions in the city -- no more idling cars spewing fumes needlessly at lights and in traffic jams.  I don't understand why the gov't doesn't mandate this.  They are willing to subsidize very expensive hybrids for a few (wealthy) people via the tax code, but aren't willing to take small steps that would have a much more dramatic effect in the aggregate.  I smell a special-interest rat.

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siliconhillbilly

2 Comments

  • 514 Days Ago
  • 09/12/2010

Re: powerful starter

One of the problems with implementing "engine restart" technology is the unavailability of reasonably priced batteries that can take the repeated high starting loads and also recharge quickly enough to survive fast cycle, stop and go traffic. 

  Hybrid lead-acid/capacitor batteries using lead and carbon plates appear to be the most cost effective.  These are in test and might do the job.

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JamesThomas

2 Comments

  • 518 Days Ago
  • 09/08/2010

Fumes

@ mahonj, the new diesels run cleaner than gas engines, by around 30% I believe. It's not like years past when you'd be behind an old Mercedes diesel and nearly die.

The new diesels are way more efficient and $1,500 more for one seems a great deal to me.

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DMoy

3 Comments

  • 518 Days Ago
  • 09/08/2010

Diesel Hybrids

The article says that these new hybrids will achieve 60mpg.  I'm not impressed.  According to the Transport Canada Mileage Ratings web page, the 2010 Volkswagen Golf TDI Clean Diesel with manual transmission is rated at 61mpg.  It's not an hybrid, and it's been readily available at competitive prices in North America for over a year.

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jfreidin

5 Comments

  • 517 Days Ago
  • 09/09/2010

Re: Diesel Hybrids

You mean 42 mpg (41 mpg with the manual transmission) for the Golf TDI?

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DMoy

3 Comments

  • 516 Days Ago
  • 09/10/2010

Re: Diesel Hybrids

Don't know where you got your numbers from, but I'm looking at the Transport Canada Fuel Consumption Ratings chart, and it says that the 2010 VW Golf "TDI Clean Diesel" with manual transmission gets 61mpg highway, 42mpg city.

Makes the expensive diesel/electric hybrids covered in this artcle seem quite silly.

DMoy

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falstaff

269 Comments

  • 513 Days Ago
  • 09/13/2010

Re: Diesel Hybrids

Yes, yes and the average motorcycle obtains well over 100 mpg.  Let's compare like to like.  The article points out that the Peugeot produces 197 HP, and the Mercedes 221 HP, compared to a Golf TDI's 140 HP (Prius class).  If one squashes four adults into a Gulf (I have), that 140 HP is immediately obvious when, say, accelerating on to the highway.  The 140HP Gulf is essentially a two passenger vehicle, and it's meaningless to compare this Peugeot or Benz.

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FreddyG

20 Comments

  • 516 Days Ago
  • 09/10/2010

Re: Diesel Hybrids

Well I'm very impressed!  A Mercedes E-class with 221 horsepower and 57mpg - this is no Golf or Prius!  An E-class is a seriously fast, solid, and large car.  I've wondered for years why we haven't seen diesel combined with hybrid and I'm glad to see the automakers toe-dipping into the market.  I hope they learn a lot and gaining experience with combining these technologies could make it painless for the next spike in fuel prices. 

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jdittmann

1 Comment

  • 515 Days Ago
  • 09/11/2010

Diesel

Currently own a Jetta Sportwagon TDI Diesel - quick - fun to drive - average 48 Highway. The US market needs to embrace diesel. Explain to me why diesel sells for more than gas? Because it can?
When will the automakers incorporate an on-board air powered turbine to operate a Hybrid vehicle at highway speed?  Some days I think we have the Hybrid all backwards!
My engineering friends say we just can't build a perpetual motion machine...Hum

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