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Using CO2 to Extract Geothermal Energy

Carbon dioxide captured from power plants could make geothermal energy more practical.

By Peter Fairley

Monday, November 16, 2009

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Carbon dioxide generated by power plants may find a second life as a working fluid to help recover geothermal heat from kilometers underground. Such a system would not only capture the carbon dioxide and keep it out of the atmosphere, it would also be a cost-effective way to use the greenhouse gas to generate new power.

Hot air: The Soultz-sous-Fôrets geothermal plant in Alsace, France, pumps water into fractured rock to extract heat and thus generate electricity. Researchers backed by $16 million in federal stimulus funds seek to prove that such geothermal plants could generate 50 percent more heat by cycling carbon dioxide underground instead.
Credit: Géothermie Soultz

Backers of this as-yet-unproven concept secured a big endorsement and much-needed cash with the U.S. Department of Energy's recent award of $338 million in federal stimulus funds for geothermal energy research. Some $16 million of the funds will be shared by nine carbon dioxide-related projects led by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and other national labs, Sunnyvale, CA-based combinatorial chemistry firm Symyx Technologies, and several U.S. universities.

The idea: Carbon dioxide that's cycled through hot regions kilometers underground can efficiently bring heat to the surface, where it can be used to generate electricity. The likelihood is that the process would leave lots of carbon dioxide underground, and thus out of the atmosphere, according to Symyx project leader and materials scientist Miroslav Petro. "You're sequestering CO₂ and at the same time generating power from it."

The concept was first proposed as a way to improve systems that pump water deep underground to fracture hot rocks, then bring the heated water up via a second well to generate power, and then cycle the water back down. The technology has been thwarted to date because it's so difficult to fracture rock to get at the geothermal heat and sustain its flow. The European Union's Soultz-sous-Fôrets project in Alsace, France, the most advanced such project worldwide, has taken 20 years to reach just 1.5 megawatts of power generation (enough to supply roughly 1,500 homes). And the process has antagonized nearby communities because of the small earthquakes sparked by the aggressive fracturing required.

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In 2000, Los Alamos National Laboratory physicist Donald Brown proposed replacing water with supercritical carbon dioxide, a pressurized form that is part gas, part liquid. Supercritical CO2 is less viscous than water and thus should flow more freely through rock. Brown noted that a siphoning effect should help cycle the carbon dioxide, thanks to the density difference between the supercritical CO2 pumped down and the hotter gas coming up, slashing power losses from pumping fluid. Plus, Brown argued, instead of using precious fresh water resources, a carbon dioxide-based project could sequester the equivalent of 70 years worth of CO2 emissions from a 500 megawatt coal power plant.

Six years later, Lawrence Berkeley hydrogeologist Karsten Pruess performed the first detailed modeling of the technology. Pruess projected that a project such as Soultz-sous-Fôrets could produce approximately 50 percent more heat with carbon dioxide than with water. Most of the DOE-funded projects seek to test Pruess's optimism.

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  • Other uses for CO2
    I've been wondering about using CO2 like the article says for a while, but also using CO2 as the working fluid in a solar thermal system since it is so good at absorbing heat. Perhaps in a giant greenhouse type solar collector.

    Plus if CO2 is a greenhouse gas why not us it as and insulating gas to save energy in buildings. It could be trapped in between the panes of glass in double glazing or trapped in other insulating materials like polystyrene.
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    DJTal
    11/16/2009
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    • Re: Other uses for CO2
      Or dry ice as air conditioning coolers where outside air is piped through containers of dry ice and ducted into rooms.
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      dmpatt
      11/16/2009
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      • Re: Other uses for CO2
        You still have to make the dry ice which requires the refrigeration of large amounts of air. On top of that when the dry ice heats up it sublimates and goes straight to CO2 gas.
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        spad12
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        • Re: Other uses for CO2
          The AC will have to cool down to very low levels to make dry ice, which is inefficient; heat pumps need small temperature differences for maximum efficiency (and thus, energy use, environment, and economy)
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          Siphon
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    • Re: Other uses for CO2
      Yes, CO2 works well as insulating gas between window panes. The actual greenhouse gas effect there is tiny though, simply because the layer of CO2 is so thin... but CO2 is thick so doesn't convect heat away, and has low thermal conductivity. That's what makes it great. And of course, it will have a negative future value! So it'll cost nothing!

      It is a bit corrosive at higher temperatures though, so argon or nitrogen has to be used in such applications.

      In supercritical form, it's a totally different beast, and many of the properties change.

      Good to see that they've got significant funding to try out this promising idea. I wonder if nitrogen could be used also. It's cheap (distill it from the air, 80% nitrogen!) and shouldn't react as much as CO2 with water and minerals up unto very high temperatures. It's also safer from a toxicity viewpoint.

      That's one other thing I was wondering about. They have to have reduntant safety systems in the pipes to protect against catastrophic failure. Otherwise people will be choked to death by the CO2. Possibly, some safety valves could be built at different depths so that if some fail (say those at the surface due to large fires/terrorist bombs, or those at depth due to an earthquake or something like that), the others could close and prevent the CO2 from shooting up to the surface.
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      Siphon
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    • Re: Other uses for CO2
      CO2 molecules vibrate at a specific frequency that allows energy from the sun to pass through. Once those rays strike the earth some of them are reflected back at different wave lengths. Those reflected waves at the same frequency as the vibration of CO2 are again reflected, this time back to earth, hence the green house gas effect.

      An insulating layer of co2 in a window would let in all the direct energy but would capture a portion of the reflected energy (if any). This would have the result of _increasing_ the warmth of the interior.

      North of 60 this would be a really good thing.

      This is not same thing as absorbing heat. What is the mechanism for co2 being especially good at absorbing heat compared to other gases as indicated in couple of posts?
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      arnetwork
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      • Re: Other uses for CO2
        The CO2 between the window panes would be a very thin layer so maybe it's not that strong an effect. Metallic coatings do much better.

        I'm not sure about the details, but I suspect CO2's greenhouse effect has something to do with the carbon atom, it absorbs strongly in the infrared wavelengths. So any gas molecule with carbon in it would be expected to have some greenhouse effect, right?

        Could someone more knowledgeable answer this better?
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        Siphon
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  • CO2 absorption
    If some of the CO2 is absorbed by the rocks, won't they expand and tend to seal off the pores through which the CO2 needs to flow to pick up heat?
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    ms
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  • CO2 Uses
    The proposed process, even if widely implemented, will sequester only a small amount of CO2. Every drop counts though so onward....
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    Flip
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    • Re: CO2 Uses
      It could be very large, if they use saline aquifers.

      I think the idea is that, if CO2 is going to be stored there anyway, and it is going to heat up a lot, and if significant amounts of power can be generated with this scheme, then that's a good thing.

      Why not use it? They have to prove it can be engineered safely; no catastrophic blowout of CO2 to the surface, has to be assured. And that obviously it actually works for extended periods reliably!
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      Siphon
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      • Catastropic blowout?
        you'd only need to worry about the physical effects if this happened.

        Since it is not explosive it would just fizzle away into the air.

        There are already 3 terratonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere so any gas coming up would be insignificant both in total amount and in health effects.

        FInally, you DON'T need to worry about 100% reliablity.  If some leaks that is OK, for the above reasons and because if we did this in bulk around the world, only a small percent would leak.
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        erbium
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        • Re: Catastropic blowout?
          You are correct in saying that it would _just fizzle away_. But that assumes that the source of the leakage is something like a seal in a valve above ground. If a leak didn't just fizzle away into the atmosphere but did something like travel underground to an unstable collection point such as the bottom of lake, it could build up on the lake bottom until overpressure caused a catastrophic discharge. This has happened at least a couple of times from natural co2 storage in lakes in Africa. Hundreds in the immediate vicinity were killed.  
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          arnetwork
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        • Re: Catastropic blowout?
          Small leaks, no big deal. Catastrophic failure, could be serious health hazard. CO2 is quite lethal at moderate concentrations (IIRC >10%) and its heavier than air so it will force the air away. So yes, a major blowout could be an issue for villages/cities nearby, and certainly for unhappy workers that happen to be nearby. Fortunately, it is quite easy to engineer against catastrophic failures, though I don't know enough about geophysical stability/failures, but the articles about deep saline aquifers suggest catastrophic leaks are impossible.
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          Siphon
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  • CO2?
    CO2 has been used as a refrigerant but the problems of the amount of energy and high pressures needed to compress to liquid are serious limits. 
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    mountainlion
    11/21/2009
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    • Re: CO2?
      The high energy required is an advantage because the design can be more compact. In fact this is one of the reasons transcritical CO2 heat pumps (eg EcoCute) are so energy effcient.
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      Siphon
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