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BMW's Electric Car

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By Kevin Bullis

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

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Batteries not included: AC Propulsion supplied the motor and power electronics that will be used in the electric Mini. The battery pack is not shown.
Credit: AC Propulsion

AC Propulsion's battery pack uses off-the-shelf battery cells of the same type found in laptop-computer battery packs, which Gage says provide the best performance per dollar. A total of 5,088 of these cells have been wired together to store enough energy to power the car for 150 miles. In very rare cases, laptop batteries have been known to overheat and catch fire, a particular danger with the larger packs used in electric cars. Some engineers worry that if one defective cell among the thousands catches fire, it could cause a chain reaction that would destroy the entire pack and might cause injury. To limit that risk, some new battery packs use phosphate-based cells instead of the more common oxide-based cells. Gage would not provide details about the battery cells used in the Mini, saying only that they are "inherently safe." He did, however, say that the company's tests have shown that a chain reaction does not happen if one cell catches fire. BMW adds that the battery pack has passed crash tests.

It's not clear whether BMW will use AC Propulsion's system in future mass-produced electric vehicles. Other automakers are opting for battery cells that are larger than laptop cells, so that they can use hundreds of cells instead of thousands, cutting down on the number of connections inside the pack and improving reliability. Gage says that "companies like us can't afford the time and money for a major battery-development program."

AC Propulsion's manufacturing capacity is also limited. "When we started the discussions [with BMW], we were doing two systems a month, and we thought we could ramp up to 200 a year," Gage says. The company did much better, meeting the requirement of 500 systems by increasing its rate of production to a peak of 60 systems a week. But Gage says that that's a rate he wouldn't want to sustain with the company's current facilities.

The biggest obstacle to mass production may be cost. The electric Mini will be leased for $850 a month, and the company says it already has 9,500 people signed up. Kramer says that millions of people will be willing to spend extra for an environmentally friendly--and fun-to-drive--electric car. But, he says, "it's up to BMW to take great products from AC Propulsion and figure out how to help make them affordable."

Comments

  • Great approach with momentum
    The Mini Coop has a great following already, and an electric version may just surpass the Prius, while the Volt languishes in obscurity.

    German Ingenuity and a US powertrain? Beats the Daimler-Chrysler model by a long shot. Make it a convertable, and those fun loving Californians will take out a second mortgage in a heartbeat to be eco-friendly! Parks easy I suspect, but how will it handle those hills and stop and go traffic on a hot dry Santa Ana day?

    Time will tell, but if it's cheaper than $40,000 like the Volt, GM is in trouble - again.
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    mkogrady
    11/19/2008
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  • $850 a Month?
    The electric Mini will be leased for $850 a month?    Are you kidding me? My house payment is less than that.  Add the cost of solar cells on top of your garage and an inverter and you are talking a grand a month.  The Mini started off as a cheap sports coupe, but a grand a month sounds pretty rich to me. 
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    jmaximus9
    11/20/2008
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    • Re: $850 a Month?
      Startup cost. This will change. And I think this is a far better thread for BMW to pursue than their Hydrogen 7, which was a monster that proved how far away a hydrogen economy is.

      For the time being, you'll be able to charge this overnight in your garage using off-peak power and helping out the electric company to better utilize its generating capacity.
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      thosem
      11/20/2008
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    • Re: $850 a Month?
      You're right. That is a bit ridiculous considering that you can get Honda's FCX Clarity fuel cell car for 600/month.

      AND it's a 3 year lease.
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      stradric
      11/21/2008
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      • Re: $850 a Month?
        Honda have said that their FCX leases don't come close to covering the costs of the actual vehicles so I suspect the FCX is still a lot more expensive than an electric Mini. The programme isn't there to make money but to provide real-world testing.
        All these costs don't really reflect the final purchase price of a mass produced version so don't take them too seriously. I suspect that AC Propulsion hand-make much of their controllers - clearly not a high-volume production line - and have prices to match.

        I think BMW are very smart to put out a car quickly from good off-the-shelf components. Whether they would continue to use these in production cars or get a different supplier or their own design is another question.
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        bkf11
        11/25/2008
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        • Re: $850 a Month?
          Fuel cells currently cost multiple thousand $ per kW. Even an 8500 USD per month lease wouldn't cover a medium power vehicle, not even for just the fuel cell, excluding the car.

          Hydrogen is at best far away, and far more likely a total boondoggle. Even the most optimistic fuel cell stack costs are a large factor above what automakers would consider a reasonably priced engine.
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          Siphon
          11/28/2008
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  • demand
    It will be interesting to see if they can lease all these vehicles at 850/month.  I suspect they will given the staggering amount of rich Californians.  But it's a shame that EV enthusiasts won't be a able to ahold of one, I suspect.

    Props to AC propulsion on this victory. 

    Having rode in a tzero prototype, I venture to say this mini has some balls.
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    jpm000001
    11/20/2008
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  • Who pays the highway taxes
    At this time when hybrids, and other low emissions vehicles are or have received tax brakes, who or how are the federal or state highway taxes going to be paid?  Also at what time will the cost of disposal of the batteries at the end of this type of transportation life, whose paying for that? And at what point in time is the cost of infrastructure going to added in to the environmental cost?  

    Yes there is a need and place for this type of transportation but are we overlooking what the true cost and impact is going to be.


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    Moto One
    12/13/2008
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    The MINI E can be plugged into any standard power outlet to charge just like what done in some hubcaps. Charge time varies depending on voltage and amperage, and for U.S. owners all MINI Es will include a wall box that can be installed to enable higher amperage to allow the MINI E to be fully recharged in 2.5 hours.
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