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Renault bets that ultimately, the relative simplicity of battery EVs should make them cheaper than plug-in hybrids such as General Motors' Chevy Volt, a vehicle that GM plans to launch in 2010 that will couple a commuter-range battery that can be charged overnight with a gasoline engine-generator to sustain the vehicle on longer trips. "Putting two engines in a car is . . . more complicated, and it's more expensive," says Yoccoz. "Even including infrastructure costs, the electric vehicle is still a better proposition from an economical point of view." But the downside to Renault's plan is, of course, vehicle range. "We're not talking about holidays," acknowledges Yoccoz. Frank Weber, GM's global vehicle line executive for the Chevy Volt--one of the few full hybrids on display in Paris--calls that a trap: "You don't want to be in exactly this corner where you say, 'Here's this purpose-built little car.'" Weber predicts that while most drivers don't go very far on a typical day, they will still expect more from a car. He says that EV commuter cars with limited range will remain a niche market, and therefore will never reach the scale needed to bring down costs--especially important when it comes to still-pricey lithium-ion batteries. "Electric vehicles are not a good choice," says Weber. Yoccoz says that's precisely why automakers that are talking up EVs, such as Renault, Mitsubishi, and Mercedes, are also working to catalyze the installation of charging stations. Renault is working with Project Better Place, based in Palo Alto, CA, to install charging stations in Denmark and Israel, where the company will market its first EVs, starting with the Kangoo and an EV version of an as yet unreleased sedan called the Fluence, targeted at the Israeli market. Daimler, meanwhile, established a partnership with German utility RWE last month to install 500 EV charging points in Berlin, where the carmaker will deploy more than 100 of its EV Smart Fortwos. And this week, Paris said that it would make 4,000 EVs available on its streets in 2010 through an automobile version of Velib, its popular bike-rental program. Helping to accelerate the development of that charging infrastructure and pushing governments to reward development of ultraclean vehicles is what Yoccoz calls his second and third jobs. "With our usual products, the main job is to find the customers, define what their needs are, and then find a product for their needs," he says. "What we have to do on top of that for the electric vehicle is really redefine a business model." |
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Roy82
10/09/2008
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Better yet, cities should buy whole fleets of small electric cars, park them everywhere and offer them as a utility service. City dwellers could use subscription or prepaid cards to unlock the nearest available EV and use it for personal transportation. This would encourage carpooling too.
Mapou
10/09/2008
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mkogrady
10/09/2008
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bj
01/13/2009
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http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/033cellphoneCAR.html
it's very sad that I haven't the funds to do (at least) some basic researches about my Energy and Space ideas! :(
Gaetano Mara...
10/09/2008
Posts:120
Come to think of it, even long distance driving could use the same approach. It's kind of like the days when the horse was the primary transportation system. Long distance messengers and transportation companies (Wells Fargo comes to mind) used horse change stations to get fresh horses on the way. Until battery technology improves to the point where they can be charged instantly, this is a viable compromise, in my opinion.
Mapou
10/09/2008
Posts:65
If we had a standardized system in place, the swap could be done in less than 5 minutes.
PS - ignore this Gaetano dude, he always writes about "his" ideas - every good idea in the world is "his", and everyone else is just out there stealing "his" ideas. muhahahahaa...
gabrielg01
10/09/2008
Posts:400
Unattended charging stations installed all over the place and the use of public vehicles would be a simpler and more economical solution in my opinion, at least for cities, if only because it will alleviate congestion by eliminating the need for so many cars. Most vehicles are idle most of the time anyway.
Having said that, I think that both ideas should be carefully studied for advantages and disavantages.
Mapou
10/10/2008
Posts:65
yes, swap batteries requires complex infrastructures, but, until we'll have (maybe, in the next 10-15 years) lighter, cheaper, powerful, and VERY FAST charging batteries, the battery swap system is the ONLY way to allow the electric cars to perform very long (gasoline-cars-like) trips!
low autonomy electric cars will never succeed not even if they'll cost less than a gasoline-only-car, that since many people can't buy, manage, parking, etc. a second car!
that's why all peoples and families need SIGLE electric cars able to do ALL the things of today's cars
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Gaetano Mara...
10/10/2008
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http://www.think.no/
bj
01/13/2009
Posts:38
you just repeat a description of MY "swappable batteries" idea...
and, about MY ideas, I always do a search BEFORE writing an article on my website (and dozens posts on several forums and blogs) about MY new ideas!
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Gaetano Mara...
10/10/2008
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MakeSense
10/11/2008
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KenCAD
10/17/2008
Posts:1
I could also see myself being able to "unplug" the rear bumper (say with the assistance of couple of fold-down legs/rollers), and "plug in" another unit that contains a small internal combustion generator to supply additional power to recharge the batteries and so extend the range (say 500-1000 km) for those occasional long trip requirements. It would be like turning the hatchback design into a sedan.
The generator would be optimised to operate at a peak efficiencies for generating the required charging power, it could be diesel as it provides better options for supporting alternative renewable fuel sources, and could be quickly and easily refueled to provide additional range.
It would give us the best of both worlds !
The standard rear bumper could then be reattached to reduce vehicle weight for normal short range driving.
amgillard
10/09/2008
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NorthernPike...
10/09/2008
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a second (gasoline powered) generator or (worse) a very expensive fuel cells generator add too much costs to the (already too expensive) electric cars while they need to cost LESS than a gasoline-only or hybrid car if we want the electric cars market to succeed soon
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Gaetano Mara...
10/09/2008
Posts:120
the "inductively coupled power unit that draws power from a wire buried in high charging lanes" is a good idea but I doubt it could be enough efficient to avoid the leak of great part of the energy
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Gaetano Mara...
10/10/2008
Posts:120
Add retractable wings to the car, so that for long trips it can fly. Build take off lanes with takeoff ramps from highways. For both take off and landing. Eliminate the need for driving as we know it for long trips.
kbillet
10/09/2008
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schkayalogy
10/10/2008
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ryuuguu
10/11/2008
Posts:15
Hybrids allow the auto industry to install much less battery, yet still significantly improve efficiency in affordable real world cars, now. (It also gets them working on electric drive motors and power electronics on a significant scale, which they've NEVER done before.) This means that the battery industry can slowly ramp up production and quality, while gradually bringing cost down, way down. At that point - and <i>only<i> at that point - will pure battery electric car start to make sense for the mass market.
Without hybrids, and lots of them, there basically is no industrial bridge to the massive numbers of large, good, cheap batteries we'll need.
ArtInvent
10/13/2008
Posts:28
I hate people who say that hybrids are not worth it, because they are "too expensive and do not break even in gas savings"...It's not about gas savings. It's about supporting a technology that will eventually get us off oil.
Saying that hybrids are too expensive, is like saying that education is too expensive. How expensive is ignorance?...
gabrielg01
10/13/2008
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dollardragon
10/17/2008
Posts:3
France with it 80% nuclear power will easily transition into a productive low carbon economy. Their reactors can run at capacity through the off peek hour charging charging cars and other items. No fuss, no smog and the fuel is recyclable.
The 'W' and his minions need to step aside and let the fossil fuel lobby painfully die. The tree huggers will have to finally understand that nuclear power is a friend and Detroit executives have to build EVs despite what Exxon and BP dictate.
bartosis
10/24/2008
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bj
01/13/2009
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MickeyFouse
01/27/2009
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Car Accessor...
11/05/2009
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