Energy

Novel Batteries Get a Boost

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  • Monday, August 13, 2007
  • By Kevin Bullis


But the battery requirements for the Volt are much more challenging, requiring the different cell design. Whereas in the Vue power from the battery will be supplemented with power from a gasoline engine, the Volt will rely on batteries full-time. For the first 40 miles of driving, the battery will deliver power from being plugged in overnight. After that, the battery will continue to power the vehicle as it is recharged by an on-board gasoline-powered generator.

The new batteries must pack more energy into a smaller space, the reason for the flat design. But they also need to be fine-tuned for the power demands of the Volt. To do this, engineers can subtly alter the electrode chemistry, thickness, the type of electrolyte, and other aspects of the battery cell design. The collaboration with GM will give A123 direct access to more lab space and testing equipment that could allow A123 to more quickly sort through many subtle variations on the cell design, says David Vieau, A123's CEO. "You never get enough test capacity for all of the different variations you'd like to be able to consider," says Vieau. "We hope this [agreement] will accelerate the process."

Gray says GM hopes to have the batteries in packs within the next couple of months and to have these packs in a generic vehicle platform for testing by the end of the year. The technology could be in a prototype Volt sometime next spring, she says. GM's goal of a production model by 2010 or 2011, Gray says, is an "aggressive target." But the tests they've done so far since announcing the project in January have been encouraging. "We've got no information back that says uh-oh we can't do this," Gray says.

The Volt is going to be about the size of a Chevrolet Cobalt, which currently costs between $14,000 and $20,000 depending on the configuration. Rob Peterson, a GM spokesperson, says GM won't "price themselves out of that class" of vehicles with the Volt. He adds that if GM intended the vehicle to have a hefty premium, it would have made the vehicle a Cadillac. "It was a conscious decision to make it a Chevy," he says.

The agreement with GM does not mean that A123 will be locked out of doing work with other automakers. The specific cell the two companies develop together will be co-owned--so both companies will have to negotiate for how it might be used, Gray says. That could include putting the pack in cars by other companies, Gray says, since "it's in everyone's interest to achieve economies of scale to drive down battery prices." A123 still retains control over its novel battery chemistry, however. Indeed A123 has had discussions with other automakers and its batteries are set to be used in hybrid buses starting in 2008.

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Jochen

2 Comments

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

batteries swap

Thinking about recharging: why not to swap the batteries ? Buying car without batteries and lease them charged at petrol stations. When close to empty swap for a charged one. Charging on night power surplus. The key point: technical arrangement that enables to remove/insert the battery pack (300 kgs or more) within an instant (F1 tyres exchange takes typically 8 seconds, what about a minute here ?)

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tsaidak

18 Comments

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

Re: batteries swap

Just to be picky.... at 200 watts per mile (Prius needs 117) the 40 mile pack would weigh 103 lbs.
Why would I want to swap out packs at a 40 mile range when I could recharge at home or at work in undere 5 hrs using a 110v line?  Also, swapping out the packs would be labor intensive compared to pumping gasoline, and actually drive up the cost per mile quite a bit.

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Guest (jpdemers)

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

Re: batteries swap

How many fill-ups does your average station handle in a day?  Quadruple that, given the 40-mile range. I doubt service stations are capable of storing a thousand or so 100-lb battery packs, let alone handling the massive electrical load involved in recharging them all.  And trucking in 100,000 lbs of anything on a daily basis is out of the question. 
An interesting option, if the battery pack indeed weighs only 100 lb, would be to double up the batteries.  Increasing the range, while adding less than the weight of an adult passenger, might be worth the added expense to many potential customers.

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Gaetano Marano

246 Comments

  • 1645 Days Ago
  • 08/14/2007

battery swap? >>> yes, just read my "cellphoneCAR" article >>>

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I agree with the "battery swap" since already suggested in my July 23, 2007 "cellphoneCAR" article:

http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/033cellphoneCAR.html

and also posted comment in this Technology Review article:

http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/19085/

it's a great idea to solve the main electric cars' problem: the (4+ hours) too long
recharge time

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Jochen

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  • 1638 Days Ago
  • 08/21/2007

Re: battery swap? >>> yes, just read my "cellphoneCAR" article >>>

I got deeper insight into the matter and found that the idea of battery swap is already protected by various patents that date as back as 1995.

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advill

18 Comments

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

FLAT BATTS...


Are already in production with Valence, the SAPHION Li-Ph. line has standard lead-acid sizes.

I don´t know how this A123 people is going to avoid the 200 patents Valence has in the process...

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asdar

73 Comments

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

Re: FLAT BATTS...

There's a million ways around shape patents, mostly because they're not a breakthrough. I have a flashlight with a square battery that's 20 years old.

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advill

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  • 1645 Days Ago
  • 08/14/2007

Re: FLAT BATTS...

Well , i saw much hype of A123, but they have a product that is 5 years behind in relation with Valence this people have some basic research patents related to runaway process which seems no to easy to "go around"...will see.

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asdar

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  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

GM Tying up A123?

This paragraph made me sigh with relief, then grimace wondering if it meant something worse.

Quote:
"The agreement with GM does not mean that A123 will be locked out of doing work with other automakers. The specific cell the two companies develop together will be co-owned--so both companies will have to negotiate for how it might be used, Gray says. That could include putting the pack in cars by other companies, Gray says, since "it's in everyone's interest to achieve economies of scale to drive down battery prices." A123 still retains control over its novel battery chemistry, however. Indeed A123 has had discussions with other automakers and its batteries are set to be used in hybrid buses starting in 2008."
End Quote:

First off it says that A123 is free to deal with who they want, but then comes the line that makes me nervous.

"The specific cell the two companies develop together will be co-owned--so both companies will have to negotiate for how it might be used, Gray says."

Negotiation rights sounds an awful lot like control to me.

I don't mind the idea of GM owning the tech, if they use it. I'm getting NiMh flashbacks from that line.

I hope that the Volt, and A123 are on the road soon.

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cripdyke

52 Comments

  • 1646 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2007

battery ownership

yes, chev volt battery will be co-owned, but a123 can always create a battery w/ different voltage and storage capacity, or even different storage cap and shape but the same voltage. A123 owns the battery tech, but chev would co-own that particular battery. Just because RCA co-owns the energizer C Cell doesn't mean that energizer can no longer sell batteries w/o RCA's permission.

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EHL68

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  • 1639 Days Ago
  • 08/20/2007

Re: battery ownership

Fortunately, the article also mentions the many elements being customized for the Volt. 
Quote--
"...electrode chemistry, thickness, the type of electrolyte, and other aspects of the battery cell design..."
--End Quote

In truth though, it will likely come down to which side can produce documents on key  developments toward the final product, and which side has the better patent lawyers!

Good luck, A123!  And to GM--I'm truly looking forward to a Volt as my next car, should it arrive at the 2010 or -11 model year!

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