Battery bikes: The Enertia motorcycle is one of a new group of electric motorcycles that uses advanced batteries.
Brammo Motorsports
Better batteries are making electric motorcycles possible, providing a cleaner alternative to pollution-spewing gas-powered bikes.
Advanced battery technologies are enabling a much cleaner alternative to pollution-spewing gas-powered motorcycles and could help promote a larger-scale move toward electric vehicles. Yesterday, an electric scooter with motorcycle-like performance made by Vectrix, based in Newport, RI, was delivered to its first customer. And next year at least two motorcycles powered by advanced lithium-ion batteries will be sold in the United States.
Although conventional motorcycles get extraordinary gas mileage--with many getting more than 50 miles per gallon--they emit more pollution than even large SUVs because they aren't equipped with equivalent emissions-control technology. Indeed, with new emissions standards, SUVs are 95 percent cleaner than motorcycles, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. So while motorcycles could help reduce oil consumption and greenhouse-gas emissions, these gains come at the price of dirtier air. Electric motorcycles eliminate tailpipe emissions, keeping pollution out of the city, and they can be powered with clean sources of electricity. What's more, electricity costs less than gasoline. Vectrix estimates that it will cost riders just a couple of cents a day to operate its scooter.
All three battery-powered vehicles are limited in speed. The fastest is the Vectrix scooter, which can go 65 miles per hour. The speeds could be increased if the manufacturers were to change the gear ratio, which is currently designed for urban settings and motocross, for which acceleration is more important than sustained high speed.
Electric motorcycles are practical today because of advances in battery technology. Lead-acid batteries, which have been used in electric motorcycles in the past, are very heavy, provide a short range, and last for only a couple of years. The Vectrix scooter ($11,000) uses nickel metal hydride batteries--the same type used now in the popular Toyota Prius hybrid. This type of battery is lighter than lead-acid batteries and more durable: Vectrix claims it has a 10-year lifetime. Lithium-ion batteries, in turn, are lighter than nickel metal hydride, and new chemistries have made them durable as well, lasting as long as or longer than nickel metal hydride batteries. The Vectrix scooter weighs about 200 kilograms, while the lithium-ion-powered Enertia ($12,000), made by Brammo Motorsports of Ashland, OR, weighs just 125 kilograms. Brammo hopes that the lighter electric motorcycles will be appealing to those who would be intimidated by a heavier bike.
The batteries' light weight also makes them appealing for motocross bikers. Zero Motorcycles, based in Scotts Valley, CA, sells an off-road motorcycle ($7,000) that easily makes 20-meter jumps and will be featured in the extreme-sports showcase X Games, says Neil Saiki, who invented the motorcycle. It weighs just 54 kilograms, which is made possible in part by leaving the battery charger off the motorcycle. The company plans to sell a street version next year that includes the charger. The batteries Zero Motorcycles uses are known for their high power. They come from A123 Systems, of Watertown, MA, the company that makes the batteries used in a record-holding electric drag-racing motorcycle that can finish a quarter mile in just 8.17 seconds, reaching 156 miles per hour. The Enertia uses battery cells and packs from Valence Technologies, based in Austin, TX, whose cells have been used in the Segway personal transport.
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An interesting question is how small to make them.
The main cost is the Lion battery and if you can make this small, you can build a cheap vehicle.
The obvious way to make it small is to model it on a bicycle with say a 10-20 mile range and a weight in the 20KG class rather than a scooter.
This would be sufficient for urban commuting - it would eliminate the sweat of cycling in a hot country which is probably why most people use scooters.
However, most e-bikes look awful, so it will take some design as well as engineering to make it a viable mode of transportation.
Ja, lighter = better but suggest motor drive front wheel yet peddle high gears in rear's = synergy pedal. Don't forget regenerative braking! 60 psi tyres! Cycloid crank gear! Aero skin! Recumbent? Etc!
Presumably I will need to charge the battery of my electrical grid which is powered by coal or oil burning generators. So in effect this bike ( and all electric vehicles ) are designed to move the pollution from one place to another.
Re: How do I charge this thing?
Your argument is flawed. Coal and oil powerplants burn much more efficiently and are more environmentally friendly than gas powered cars. Besides, I'm typing to you now courtesy of nuke-u-lar magic.
Re: How do I charge this thing?
If we have a nanogenerator suit, then we can plug ourselves into the bike and keep charging it as we ride it. We would also have different power interfaces for laptops, ipods, etc. We'd be like cyborgs then. http://tinyurl.com/29hakw
Re: How do I charge this thing?
Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if we could get our body to power stuff without using our muscles (and getting all tired and sweaty)? Then we could eat all we want, and get rid of the fat by powering our computers and video games!
The price has to come WAY WAY WAY down. Trade off performance for cost. Who needs to go 65 mph while urban commuting? Duh! Plus, I would need a special motorcycle license, registration, and insurance for something like that. A top speed of 40 mph is plenty. Heck, I'd settle for 20 mph, which is a lot faster than I can pedal. And range? 20 miles is enough. But the price has to be less than $2000, preferably around $1000. Lastly, do manufacturers realize that expensive things tend to get stolen in urban settings? $12,000?? Are you kidding me?
"The price has to come WAY WAY WAY down. Trade off performance for cost. Who needs to go 65 mph while urban commuting? Duh! Plus, I would need a special motorcycle license, registration, and insurance for something like that. A top speed of 40 mph is plenty. Heck, I'd settle for 20 mph, which is a lot faster than I can pedal. And range? 20 miles is enough. But the price has to be less than $2000, preferably around $1000. Lastly, do manufacturers realize that expensive things tend to get stolen in urban settings? $12,000?? Are you kidding me?"
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"The price has to come WAY WAY WAY down."
I can only agree...You can take a few classes in electricity, auto mechanics with an emphisis in motorcycle mechanics and some welding classes at the community college. You can make you own electric bike.
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"Who needs to go 65 mph while urban commuting? Duh!"
and
"A top speed of 40 mph is plenty. Heck, I'd settle for 20 mph, which is a lot faster than I can pedal."
from your continuation i take it that 65 mph is excessive. Well if you are always in clogged inner city streets and not on suburban expressways, it is excessive. My gut feeling is mosr amercians consider 65 MPH the minimun acceptable speed.
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" I would need a special motorcycle license, registration, and insurance for something like that."
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"Lastly, do manufacturers realize that expensive things tend to get stolen in urban settings?"
Well, the motorcycle safety foundation offers free to very inexpensive classes for the motorcycle license. In many states, the state road test and written test is waived with proof of passing the MSF class. If the rolling frame is not DOT certifined as a motorcycle, it is illegal in many states and many states will not allow it the road, one my be religated to bicycle paths, sidewalks to the side of the road etc. Many will assume you lost your licence for driving for driving under the influence amd are riding a vehicle that is considered a motorized bicycle, which you need no licence at all, and not a motor vehicle which you need a drivers licence. I would not know how insurence would work in this featured vehicle, my guess, very high rates premium and cheap rates for state mandated lieability only. On my electric rebel, I has no problem in registering it or insuring it $130 per year state mandated lieability. The bike still have a the VIN number. If one is worried about some one stealing it, just unbolt the electric motor and take it with me. No motorcycle theif want a stripped out rolling frame or a homemade ratt-bike. Sheesh if you take the batteries and the electric motor, the thief may think it was allready stolen! (missing motor,trans, and gas tank)
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"But the price has to be less than $2000, preferably around $1000."
The "pancake" electic motor is about $1,000. To keep it under 2,000 would be very difficult even if it was a homemade electric bike. Maybe if you can get some one to donate the donor motorcycle and your labor is free.
useful links: http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_perm.html
http://www.msf-usa.org/
http://www.marquecornblatt.com/art/cycle.html
http://www.rebel250.com/rebelforum/index.php
PS the marquecornblatt.com link person is using lead acid batteries(i believe)and I currently Lithium-ion with one more battry then he has.
If you only want to go up to 20mph, then there are solutions such as the bionx conversion to a bicycle which will take you there. This will cost less than US$2000, which is the maximum price you wanted to pay.
I like those Zero X bikes. It'd be sweet for riding quietly through the woods on trails or logging roads or whatever. Price is under $7000 too.
Most people can not afford $11,000 for a scooter.
I am going to sell electric scooters with top speed of 60MPH with regen brake. The bike has 3500w motor and Lithium power. If anyone interested I am selling the first batch of perordered bikes for $3495.00. Price will be going up somewhat on later orders. You can buy 3 for the same price as a Vectrix.
Cheers,
phil_randall@myfairpoint.net
What brand are the scooters you're selling? Sounds like maybe Falcon or Zapino.
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advill
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NOBODY WILL.........
in his right mind buy this vehicle when can buy something like in gas for 10 times less money, no electric vehicle will take off if the tag price is higher than available cars today.
Perhaps an explanation of WHY Li-ion or Li-ph batts are SO expensive ?
As far i know thermal runaway is already controlled how come that a set of 300v batt costs $ 10K? is any chemical process so expensive?, how much can it be reduced (even in China) to make a real alternative?.
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nick47g
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Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
This stuff is not even bleeding edge, it's in the Henry Ford quadracycle - village tinkerer stage. Not even a Model-T. At single unit production levels, it is more a piece of artwork than a true solution.
BUT!!! There are people who buy art. Likewise there are those who [like me] love driving electric vehicles, or who want to make a statement. It's a beginning.
Nick G.
So. Dartmouth MA
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advill
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
What i can´t understand is WHY are so expensive the batts?, you see on them common materials, plastics most of it,niquel or lithium ($$??), carbon,and standard metals
A Toyota Prius with lithium batts increase it´s price in 10K´s of the already high niquel batts price. regards
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Guest (tomk)
Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
Look out as to what kind of statement you make. The Toyota Prius consumes more lifetime total energy from manufacture to disposal than full size SUV's and 250% more energy than a similar size conventional gasoline powered vehicle. (see http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf). I would be not be happy with a Prius statement that now elicits a snicker from knowledgeable people.
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cypherpunk
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
The claim that the Prius battery contains more embedded energy than an SUV or than it will save in its lifetime is false. See calcars.org for a detailed description of why. In part, NiMHs are extremely valuable and won't fail to be recycled profitably.
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jdien
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
I couldn't find the information on the site. Could you post the full link? Thanks!
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davidh
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
An extended discussion of the Prius/Hummer issue is available at http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/03/20/1858204.shtml CNW assigns the Prius with a lifespan of 109,000 miles and the Hummer with 300,000 miles. Those figures have significant impacts on their respective life-cycle costs.
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shalwechat
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
Wow, 12,000.00 for this bike. Sheesh, for much less you can make a electric bike out of an old Honda Rebel 250 rolling frame. As electric motor technology improves and as battery technology improves, one just swaps out those parts. My electric Rebel is all interchangeable. Swap in and out batteries to fit my riding needs and budget, swap in and out sprockets. I can use cheap golf cart batteries to expensive Lithium-Ion Polymer etc chemistry batteries. With expensive & techie Lithium-Ion chemisty batteries, I get about a 70 mile range at 70 mph. Lead acid, I'm lucky for 20 miles at 30 mph. I used sprockets they gave me a higher speed with slower acceleration. Keep in mind this is DIY'er bike and not a purpose build ground up electric bike. For 12 grand, I can buy two new Honda rebels at 3 grand each. Convert one to electric, using mid price batteries, and still have some $$ for gas money for the gas Rebel or dissambele the gas engine and E-Bay the parts.
Myself I been critical of claims about vehicle service life etc. Very few people keep a vehicle for 100,000 miles let alone 300,000 miles. Yeah I see 80's MB diesals and 70's lowrider Chevy Impala's around with 400,000 miles but those are owned by gearheads and they baby em and also seach the internet and junkyards for parts. I suspect the vast majority of vehicle are junked about 200,000 miles because they are worthless on the used car market. I take dispute about he claim of 300,000 mile hummer on the retail car market and 100,000 mile hybrid ont he retail used car market. Been my experence as an ase auto tech that most hybrid owners pamper their cars and the avg yuppie owner tends to worry about an oil changes when the engine makes a "funny noise" and the oil pour out in a some sludge form at "50,000 mile first oil change" or at the expiration of the auto lease
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shalwechat
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Re: Almost NOBODY WILL - YET
http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf
and
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9750840-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt
you may need to be careful in how these studies are conducted. selective use of data and a lack of peer review.
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