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Hot Advance for Thermoelectrics

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  • Thursday, February 22, 2007
  • By Kevin Bullis

The results confirmed that the organic molecules could indeed be used to generate electricity from heat. Before they can be put to use, however, it will be important, Sales says, to design the molecules so that they arrange themselves between metal layers to make large-scale thermoelectric materials. What's more, so far the efficiency is very low, the researchers say. To improve this, they are creating and testing new versions of the molecules.

"These are very simple molecules that the group is looking at," says J. Fraser Stoddart, professor of chemistry at the University of California, Los Angeles. He's interested in the researchers' plans to alter the molecules to improve their thermoelectric properties. "That's where my heart starts to beat," he says. "I hope they follow this research up."

The research is only the first step, the researchers say, and, because much work remains, applications will be many years away.

If all goes well, though, so-called thermoelectric devices based on the molecules could prove to be an important source of power--and a way to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions by making far more efficient use of fossil fuel. "Ninety percent of the world's electricity is generated by thermal-mechanical means," says Arun Majumdar, professor of mechanical engineering at UC Berkeley and another researcher on the project. "And a lot of the heat is wasted. One and a half times the power that is generated is actually wasted."

For example, a typical way to generate electricity is by heating up steam to drive a turbine. After the steam passes through the turbine, it still contains energy in the form of heat, although not enough to drive a turbine, Segalman says. That heat typically escapes into the atmosphere and is wasted. By wrapping thermoelectric materials around exhaust pipes, that heat could be put to work. In cars, thermoelectrics could replace the alternator and save hundreds of millions of gallons of gas a year, according to an estimate from a General Motors researcher. (See "Free Power for Cars.")

Organic materials are appealing because they cost much less than thermoelectric inorganic materials: even if they are inefficient, they might still be economical. "These molecules are dirt cheap," Majumdar says. "If the efficiency is low, that's fine. You're throwing that heat away anyway."

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alternativee.org

9 Comments

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Opportunity and Threat to Solar

If organic thermoelectrics do become commercially viable, their impact could significantly influence the photo voltaic solar energy market. Depending on the speed at which efficiencies are improved, thermoelectric technology could be combined with solar cells to capture both heat and light or thermoelectrics could drastically surpass solar efficiency making the capture of heat, rather than light, the preferred option. Certainly, these are not the only two outcomes and solar definitely has a maturity advantage, but it's nice to have a growing portfolio of renewable technologies to speculate about.

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bmn

75 Comments

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Re: Opportunity and Threat to Solar

I don't understand the "threat" part of your subject. why is it a threat - seems like the best of all outcomes.

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alternativee.org

9 Comments

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Re: Opportunity and Threat to Solar

The solar industry has struggled to improve the efficiency and reduce the price of photo voltaic technology. There are a number of new ideas being explored, but in one potential scenario, thermoelectrics could become drastically more efficient or cheaper causing it to displace solar (i.e. I might cover my roof with heat absorbing material because it's a fraction of the cost of photo voltaic material). Thus, thermoelectrics represents a potential threat or competitor to those trying to make a profit in the solar energy business.

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bmn

75 Comments

  • 1814 Days Ago
  • 02/26/2007

Re: Opportunity and Threat to Solar

so it is all about your biz, and not about doing the right thing?  so sad.

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micmackman

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  • 1812 Days Ago
  • 02/28/2007

Re: Opportunity and Threat to Solar

Dude, c'mon, don't jump to conclusions. The man makes a good point- if thermoelectrics outperform solar, the solar economy (those who earn a living through and invest in solar, a lot of whom are probably out there) will be economically affected, and it's worth mentioning. He didn't make any judgments or express anti-thermoelectric bias, so give him a break. If TE does eventually outperform solar though, the folks who sell/install/implement solar could probably make an easy switch to TE or offer both, based on the application; both would be emerging renewable electrical sources of potentially very similar characteristics. This, in contrast to petroleum companies, who don't appear to think of themselves as 'energy' companies as much as they do 'petroleum' companies.

You'd think they would start investing in non-petroleum energy production early, if future oil production starts declining (more so than it already has). By comparison, as petroleum becomes more expensive and scarce, if Big Oil clings to their sinking ship and waits too late to diversify their spare capital, these startups who invest now in wind/solar and emerging, exciting technologies may someday eat Big Oil's lunch. Not anytime soon, of course.

Which raises the idea of a totally different energy future- small companies competing to provide clean, renewable energy to consumers on a widespread but independent, small-business scale. There might not be any monopolies, and there might be minimal lobbying, since the implementation of the newer technologies wouldn't be inherently polluting or pit ecology versus economy so diametrically. Environmental entrepreneurism, baby.

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greeninventions.net

6 Comments

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

If in the future Intel or any other manufacturer of processors can implement this inside their processors maybe they can solve the heat problem of their processors and also make their processors more energy efficient. Also energy which is needed for the cooling of server centres can be saved. Since server centres mainly used for the internet have become one of the biggest energy consumers this would save a great part of the global energy consumption. I think this technology can become useful for lots of applications and become a great energy saver.

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chuckcameron

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  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Aditional benefits for Lighting

Similarly, this kind of technology could create energy regeneration within electric lighting.  While all the various lamp technologies could benefit from thermoelectric materials, it would likely be most useful with LEDs.  LED have a great amount of heat at the diode that must be managed to keep the LED working efficiently and to get the full lifespan from the LED.  The transformation of this heat into electrical energy would be a double advantage.

Charles Cameron, IES, Assoc IALD
charles@bentleymeeker.com

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rbphilip

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  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Re: Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

That would be "their" processors. Not "there".

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greeninventions.net

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  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Re: Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

Thank you, my Dutch is better than my English. But I am learning now!

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Guest (fredmar)

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Re: Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

Your English read fine to me- lots of native speakers make similar mistakes in website/blog comments

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dwisehart

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  • 1741 Days Ago
  • 05/10/2007

Re: Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

Wait a minute.  Remember your physics for a moment.  These devices do not create energy, they convert it from one form to another.  That means there has to be an energy flow from high heat to low heat in order to generate electricity.  The higher the heat differential within the limits of the device, the more electrical power is supplied by the device.

Currently, processors have a heat sink on top of them to get rid of heat.  A thermo-electric device would have to be placed between the processor and the heat sink.  And what are the properties of a good thermo-electric device?  They do not conduct heat very well.  Which means a processor loses the benefits of having a heat sink.

Unfortunately, a thermo-electric device is the last thing you want to put on your processor.

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juliandb

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  • 908 Days Ago
  • 08/20/2009

Re: Maybe in the future Intel can implement this inside there processors

well as far as i can tell from what i have read about this technology it does not require a heat differential, it merely uses minute discrepancies oh heat distribution. Also as for not wanting it on your processor, if they could get it working well, it would absorb the heat without need for a heat sink; there for saving space. But then again I'm probably wrong! lol

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aaronlrichards

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  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Thermoelectrics, Catalytic Converters and Powerplants

It would be great if the technologies in this article could be developed to the point where they could be used effectively in the following, although low-use scenario:

Place catalytic converters onto the smokestacks of coal or other fuel-burning powerplants.  Use the thermoelectric technologies mentioned in this article to produce electricity from the heat produced by the catalytic conversion.  Granted, the powerplant emissions would need to be converted or modified to create CO as input to the catalytic converter if you were to use a converter similar to the type in cars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter).  And the sulfer output of the emissions, which would cause catalyst poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter) but from the above mentioned wikipedia article it sounds as though methods of dealing with catalytic poisoning due to sulfer have been developed.

Perhaps, taking a change of tack, you could use the waste heat from a catalytic converter in an automobile, and the radiator from an automobile to run a Stirling Cycle engine, which could run a small generator to provide energy to electronic components inside of a vehicle, creating less drag on the engine, and providing better fuel economy.

Aaron L. Richards
Aaron@RichardsMedia[dot]Net
http://RichardsMedia.Net

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Guest (5333isme)

  • 1818 Days Ago
  • 02/22/2007

Check out Avto Principle

Borealis and its various daughter organizations have come up with a thermoelectric technology that blows everything else away.  It is based on electron tunneling.  When two surfaces are placed nanometers apart, electrons can jump from one surface to the other creating an electric flow.  Just as with conventional thermocouples, the process can be reversed by pushing current through the gap to remove heat; thus becoming a cooling device. 

The firm claims a thermal efficiency for the device of better than 80%.  Borealis and its various companies are a group of firms and technologies to watch.

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Cpt_Nemo

17 Comments

  • 1817 Days Ago
  • 02/23/2007

New twist on Thermal Underpants - Powering cyborgs

This is great, I will be able to power my electronic gadgets from my body heat - negating the requirement for batteries to make these devises work.

The military would most likely be the first to sponsor such research as it will help the creation of exoskeltons for soldiers so that they will be able to march into battle carrying enormous quantities of supplies.

This would also be useful for rescuing people trapped in the snow - the amount of electricity generated by thermal underware could allow search teams to rate the urgency of finding survivors before they develop severe hypothermia.

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shumphries

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  • 1756 Days Ago
  • 04/25/2007

Home thermoelectrics

Why isn't this type of electrical generation considered for a home power system?  This could provide the necessary supplimental power supply for solar powered homes during the winter months of short daylight or gray cloudy days.  It is necessary to heat our homes during winter and  people who use solar panels need to operate a fueled generator or go back to the grid for power during winter months.  A system of thermoelectrics combined with home heating could not only heat our home but also provide necessary supplimental electrical power.  Perhaps it is the low efficiency of current materials available but this idea never seems to be a part of the solar powered community.

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carlii

30 Comments

  • 1708 Days Ago
  • 06/12/2007

Air Conditioner Generates Electricity

LiveScience.com has an article entitled "New Device Turns Waste Heat into Electricity", where heat is turned into sound, then electricity.  It'd be wonderful the technology here, this technology, or a related technology can be leveraged into a new air conditioner device.  It would cool the home by taking heat energy out of the air, without increasing our electric bill.  It would also generates electricity for our electronic devices.  I'm ready to buy, and reduce my monthly electric bill. 

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