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Algae-Based Fuels Set to Bloom

Oil from microorganisms could help ease the nation's energy woes.

By Kevin Bullis

Monday, February 05, 2007

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Relatively high oil prices, advances in technology, and the Bush administration's increased emphasis on renewable fuels are attracting new interest in a potentially rich source of biofuels: algae. A number of startups are now demonstrating new technology and launching large research efforts aimed at replacing hundreds of millions of gallons of fossil fuels by 2010, and much more in the future.

Microalgae cultured in Southwestern deserts like those pictured here could prove to be a great source of renewable fuel.
Credit: Paul Roessler DOE/NREL

Algae makes oil naturally. Raw algae can be processed to make biocrude, the renewable equivalent of petroleum, and refined to make gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, and chemical feedstocks for plastics and drugs. Indeed, it can be processed at existing oil refineries to make just about anything that can be made from crude oil. This is the approach being taken by startups Solix Biofuels, based in Fort Collins, CO, and LiveFuels, based in Menlo Park, CA.

Alternatively, strains of algae that produce more carbohydrates and less oil can be processed and fermented to make ethanol, with leftover proteins used for animal feed. This is one of the potential uses of algae produced by startup GreenFuel Technologies Corporation, based in Cambridge, MA.

The theoretical potential is clear. Algae can be grown in open ponds or sealed in clear tubes, and it can produce far more oil per acre than soybeans, a source of oil for biodiesel. Algae can also clean up waste by processing nitrogen from wastewater and carbon dioxide from power plants. What's more, it can be grown on marginal lands useless for ordinary crops, and it can use water from salt aquifers that is not useful for drinking or agriculture. "Algae have the potential to produce a huge amount of oil," says Kathe Andrews-Cramer, the technical lead researcher for biofuels and bioenergy programs at Sandia National Laboratories, in Albuquerque, NM. "We could replace certainly all of our diesel fuel with algal-derived oils, and possibly replace a lot more than that."

To be sure, the use of algae for liquid fuels has been studied extensively in the past, including through a program at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) that ran for nearly a decade. At the time, the results were not encouraging. The NREL program was terminated in 1996, largely because at the time crude-oil prices were far too low for algae to compete.

But Eric Jarvis, an NREL scientist, says that enough has changed that NREL researchers expect to restart the program within the next six months to a year. When the program was cancelled in 1996, oil prices were relatively low. Today's higher oil prices will make it easier for algae to compete. Still, Jarvis cautions that "you have to be careful because there's a lot of hype out there right now."

Comments

  • 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
    According to http://www.oakhavenpc.org/cultivating_algae.htm , certain micro algae (single cell algae) might produce anywhere from 10 times to 1000 times as much liquid fuel per year per acre as conventional agriculture.

    Gallons of Oil per Acre per Year

    Corn 18
    Soybeans 48
    Safflower 83
    Sunflower 102
    Rapeseed 127
    Oil Palm 635
    Micro Algae 5000-15000

    A 100 fold factor is an awfully powerful incentive to make it work.
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    nekote
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    • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
      the basic message to get out is that we need  to make these fuels no matter what the price of oil is - we will only be putting off what we have to do in the end anyway  - and we are paying the enemy - that should be enuf incentive shouldnt it ??
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      VCRAGAIN
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      • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
        The simplest approach to resolving the "dependence on foreign oil" problem is to apply a tariff on foreign oil.  Not CAFE standards or "carbon taxes" or anything else.  If we put imported oil at an economic disadvantage, and perhaps build in a minimum price + tariff at around $50/bbl, then the market would determine which alternatives win out.  To stack the deck in favor of renewables, a CO2 cap and trade scheme needs to be implemented with a hard cap and hard targets for dropping it over the next couple decades.
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        Michael543
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          Fifty percent of our oil comes from Canada.  Why put a tariff on that?  They're not hostile to us, logistics of oil transfer are simplified, and our economies are connected in a number of other ways.  Plus they have good beer.

          We have numerous solutions to the present dependency problem.  Biofuels, coal conversion, plug-hybrids, other renewables...

          It'd be zippy to get them all going.  The problems of climate change need also to be addressed, but short term weaning off of overseas oil (note Canada would be an exception here) would solve a lot of problems.
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          Hardheadjarh...
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          • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?

            By tariffing Canadian oil, we would be doing them a favor.
            Currently, Canada has no hope of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and our consumption is driving prices up in a nation that relies on petroleum and natural gas for heat, industry and transportation.  The only issue then is how to keep the other vultures off of North American oil and gas supply, I.e., China and India.  But a gradually increasing tax on imported oil may be our only path to national survival, as even as the oil is out there in the world, we are bleeding to death financially buying it
            RC
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            roger_leejr
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          • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
            We could exclude the NAFTA nations from the tariff, but the stated goal of every President since Nixon has been to wean the country from foreign oil.  Yet every action that has been taken has had the net effect of an increasing use of imported oil.  The tariff is the one tool that could put imported oil at a price disadvantage while setting a floor below which the Saudis and OPEC won't be able to drive the price of oil sold in the US, which has generally had the effect of bankrupting the alternative fuels companies (or forced the government to provide direct subsidies).

            So would you support a tariff on non-NAFTA nations? 
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            Michael543
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          • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
            A floor price for oil would prevent market price from undercutting profitability (economic viability) of alternative fuel investments.
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            czorba
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          In theory, an easier sell should be to stop SUBSIDIZING Oil.  I think most people could agree on that.  At least put them on a level playing field with all the other potential technologies currently available.  I've read estimates that range from $.30-1.50 a gallon increase if subsidies were removed.  Perhaps it could be done in stages as to not adversely effect the economy as much.  A gradual repeal would also take some of the uncertainty away from the financial/commodities markets.  There's a bill going through the Senate right now that proposes an Oil subsidy repeal.  I haven't read the details on it however.  I believe it's a full repeal of Oil subsidies.  Bush is saying he won't pass it though.  It's ironic that a Republican is against the Free Market approach on this. 
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          Shlep_rock
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          • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
            Please specify the subsidies you're talking about.  If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then the approach of increasing fees on domestically produced oil taken from public lands will have the effect of making imported oil more attractive.  This is the sort of short-sighted policy I mentioned earlier.
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            Michael543
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          • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
            The biggest subsidy to oil producers is the cost of securing our imported oil supply.  According to the late Milton Copulos of the National Defense Fund, a recognized expert in military cost, the tally for securing our imported oil, including the cost of the Iraq war, is rapidly approaching one trillion dollars a year.  This means that every time you fill up your tank for $60, you are adding anothe $60 to our taxes and/or national deficit.  This cost is rising rapidly -- witness President Bush's recent visit to Africa to secure bases for protection of African oil.
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            microsrfr
            04/03/2008
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        • Wrong Tax
          Are We doing this to keep driving SUV's?
          Tax fuel wastage and extravagance.
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          nick47g
          04/26/2007
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          Michael...

          Re: Floor price for petroleum.  See www.bottombarrelbucks.com.   Right on!
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          czorba
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      • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
        VC RAGAIN...Great response.

        We need to break our addiction now.  And the sad truth is that we have the technology today to break the addiction.  Sure Algae might be a solution, but I suggest using a collection of different methods to address our enduring and emerging energy needs.  Specifically, we need to:
        1. Provide significant incentives, in the way of tax relief or release, to companies that can produce alternatives. (Results equals Rewards)
        2. Increase research funding by 500% in the areas of energy collection & storage (batteries) and energy production (Algae/Ethanol/Clean Burning Coal/Hydrogen perhaps) using non-traditional methods. 
        3. Remove all energy subsidies and divert funding to wind and solar exploitation.
        4. 35 more nuclear power plants
        5. In transition from Middle-Eastern, Nigerian, Russian, and Venezuelan oil, facilitate oil exploration and exploitation domestically.  Yes, this means ANWAR.
        6. Make hybrid vehicles a 1/1 dollar tax write-off with minimum standard of 50/50 MPG.  Spend 25K on a hybrid and get a 25K tax write-off.
        7. Set an aggressive timetable….5 years to energy independence…ala Manhattan…..

        Disturbing is that we currently fund the very countries that actively pursue and pray for our demise.  A reduction or elimination on our reliance of foreign oil will crush the very regimes that are hostile to Americans and our way of life.  We don’t have to kill all of our enemies…we just have to drive them to their knees…financially.

        Nick
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        Nick7
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          Agreed, there needs to be a comprehensive energy policy, the likes of which hasn't been possible in the current political climate.  We (the government) shouldn't be in the business of picking winners, but identifying which fuels and processes have adverse impacts on the environment, the economy and our geopolitical position and using the tax law and rulemaking to mitigate those impacts.
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          Michael543
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          Right on Nick7. You've hit all the bases!
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          shigley
          02/13/2007
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          BESIDES IMPROVING ENERGY STORAGE FOR WHAT I CALL"plug'n'play"hybrides(would turbine/generator systems that burn any fuel be a viable range extender?)we need to push r&d programs in room temperature super conductors.too much energy is lost in transmission lines.if we could get out as much as we put in it would dwarf any conservation efforts.
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          BRUCE M. GRA...
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          Nick7
          I like your approach of rewarding rather than punishing.  Too many people on this list are knee jerk fascists who think passing a law, using force is the answer to every problem.  Most of their 'economic' solutions wouldn't work but they make great grist for politicians and bumper stickers.  Thanks to you and all of you who think the use of intelligence and technology should trump law and force.
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          equsnarnd
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          good idea and wouldn'tthis country and the world be a safer and cheaper place to live
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          bluedog18820
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    • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
      Here in Tampa, we have algea problems.
      We have run off from phosphate mines, that
      causes alea blooms in local ponds etc.
      We also have lots of sun.  Putting them together
      should be a no-brainer. 
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      SirLanse
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      • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
        Using anaerobic digesters to convert manure into more useable fertilizer with the by-product of recovering methane could probably reduce the amount of nutrients in run-off.  Constructing engineered wetlands to treat stormwater should help with much of the rest.

        Collecting nuisance algae to recover as fuel will never be feasible for the same reasons that open ponds are unlikely to ever be feasible bioreactors.  The cost of collection outweighs the possible return.

        So the key is to identify the sources of excess nutrients and find economic ways to convert them to useful by-products.
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        Michael543
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        • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
          I just read a progress report on the USDA website regarding manure treatment using anaerobic digestion (composting) and subsequent algae production. The composting stage increased the level of nutrients (nitrogen and phosphates) very significantly rather than reduce them, which in turn proved advantageous to algae growth.

          The critical point (bottleneck) in the process is not in harvesting the algae, but in the subsequent drying stage. They're using artificial heat to speed drying, adding a significant energy expenditure and cost to the process.
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          Peopleunit
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    • Re: 100x potential over conventional agriculture?
      We have over 25,000 acres of prime saltwater algae growing area available. We are interested in working with some knowledgeable firm. See www.newutopia.org click on "Development Plan"

      Lazarus Long
      239 495 2447
      info@new-utopia.com
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      Laz3333
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  • Hold Your Algal Horses!
    Hold on! Sure, sounds great, but, as a geologist I can tell you algae is most of what created petroleum in the first place--over millions of years and thousands of square miles per oil field.
      To do the same now, would be great, but we cannot do it all with one old hippie and his backyard pond surrounded by protective hemp fields--as a lot of the proponents seem to envision. No, it WILL take huge patches of real estate--potentially offshore, Florida. It WILL take HUGE amounts of water, and require tens of millions of tons of algae to produce the volume of oil products we need. It can be done, but think of the cost. Give a mega company the incentive, and then they may commit tens of billions of their shareholders's dollars to the work. Don't suck it out with taxes, the government would waste it.
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    kitk
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    • Re: Hold Your Algal Horses!
      Algae plants can be placed on marginal land and use brackish water. One hippie isn't the smartest way, but I think the option should be explored.

      I think Florida might just be a good place to have algae beds and might help deal with some of the runoff fertilizer from the farms.

      The most exciting use I see is at coal power plants using the CO2 to power the algae growth.
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      asdar
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      • Re: Hold Your Algal Horses!
        Dah, Northern Arizona has the CO2 producing
        power plants and the wide open checkerboard
        spaces. Sneese. Future headline: Checkerboard hippos run algal tube farms near coal fired power plants ,with solar power, and mine water from
        the air with............?



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        abcarterjr
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    • Re: Hold Your Algal Horses!
      Potable water isn't required for any algae bioreactor I've seen described.  It's likely that the process of growing algae will have a remediative effect on low-quality water stocks such as treated sewage water, stormwater runoff, the liquid fraction of AD digestate, and brackish well water.

      By growing algae in controlled environments and using nutrient rich water stocks, we could reduce the amount of nuisance algae blooms that occur as a result of the dumping of that wastewater and runoff into streams, rivers and lakes.
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      Michael543
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    • Water is the Key
      Well said Kit K!

      We may not have an energy crisis so much as a WATER CRISIS.

      The Colorado river and Oglala aquifer are already maxed out, so what do we do to get the water for algy farming [top-off to relace water taken up in the biocyle] or even coal gassification [feedstock].

      We need the water in the desert or Montana, so what do we do, pump from the Pacific or Gulf of mexico?

      I have no cle as to solution.
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      nick47g
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    • Re: Let our Algal Horses Fly High!
      Yes It is much encouraging in the recent days on the devlopments of Algae. Come let us join and prepare the Green World Revolution.  Let all the Research club together for a common Goal of True Revolution of narrowing the economical differnce and enhancing the Global atmosphere equally friendly to all the creatures.
      May the God Lead the people together for a common good, better and the best Earth at an early date before it is too late.
      paulkoti@yahoo.com    
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      paulkoti
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  • ALGAE have (at least) FOUR BIG ADVANTAGES
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    very interesting article!

    in my opinion, algae have (at least) FOUR BIG advantages vs. the agricultural BioFuel production and plants:

    1. algae's production and BioFuels plants can be located on very large (but unused) places of the planet (like deserts)

    2. its production (and production plants) may be very very cheap!

    3. sea-algae will need (near)zero priced saltwater (instead of very expensive potable water)

    4. with sea-algae produced in the desert places NEVER will be any Food-OR-Fuel choice/decision to take

    www.gaetanomarano.it

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    Gaetano Mara...
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    • Re: ALGAE have (at least) FOUR BIG ADVANTAGES
      Three comments:
      1)Brackish water is probably more important to this technology than sea water.  Of all the wells drilled for water around the world each year, many produce water not fit to drink.  Many industrial processes create waste water not fit to drink.  Agricultural runoff creates water quality issues that might be reduced if proper catchment is feasible and economical.  Algae seem able to thrive in this brackish water.

      2)The term "commercial cultivation" probably means that open sea or even open pond algae production is not efficient enough to attract early investment.  Controlling the algal growth environment enables development and use of algae with 50% or more (by volume? by mass?) oil content.  This could be a big money difference if capped ponds or plastic tubes are cheap enough at large scale.

      3)Small scale algae to biofuel operations are probably a great way for enthusiasts to experiment with all the technology, from algae breeding and growth environment enhancement to oil extraction and biodiesel and/or ethanol production.  BONUS--if you create a backyard or rooftop system that one person or one village can easily install, maintain and harvest, imagine what that could mean to people spending too much on fuel/energy all around the world.

      http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

      http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/biodiesel.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algaculture

      http://www.oilgae.com/

      Go for it!

      Colin
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      Colin
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      • Re: ALGAE have (at least) FOUR BIG ADVANTAGES
        I'll add another advantage:  Brackish water from underground aquifers such as Orange County, CA, can be used for the ethanol process and be replaced with fresh water during winter rains.
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        RD
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      • Re: ALGAE have (at least) FOUR BIG ADVANTAGES
        Earlier I was reading about a USDA project and if I understood it correctly, in the example of using municipal waste water, the algae took up significant levels of heavy metals from the water. Good for the purification process, but it would seem to restrict safe usage for the algae remains.
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        Peopleunit
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    • Re: ALGAE have (at least) FOUR BIG ADVANTAGES
      Another big advantage (possibly the biggest) is that we don't need to buy new cars with new special engines to burn it.  Many cars on the road are older cars driven by people who can't afford a new fancy flex fuel vehicle.  The could switch to biofuel (diesel or gasoline made from extract of algae) without even noticing.  Most people will be hard pressed to go buy new expensive cars even if the government tries to force them.
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      zifos
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  • More information on Algae
    If you want to learn more about algae as an alternative fuel, check out the Environment Tech episode of Modern Marvels on the History Channel. There was a nice segment about an experimental setup in Arizona that uses carbon dioxide from a natural gas power plant to feed an on-site algae farm.

    www.alternativee.org
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    alternativee...
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    • Re: More information on Algae
      That's a Greenfuel Technologies test.  And it's proceeding into a larger scale test right now.  Eventually there may be hundreds of acres of algae bioreactors growing fuel on that plant's grounds.
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      Michael543
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  • CO2 storage and daytime productivity
    I'd like everyone who is aware of algae-to-biofuels to consider that if one or more of the algae to biofuel processes proves economically viable, that the 40% CO2 reduction mentioned by Greenfuel could be a very low-ball estimate for what this could mean.  Since daytime reduction of CO2 from flue gases has been shown to be 80% or more, it may be possible to create an infrastructure that piped flue gases from where ever they could be economically captured to remote sites most suitable for large-scale algae production.  The economies of scale from algae megafarms could improve the EROI as could co-located biomass processing facilities with higher throughput capacities.

    The creation of a flue-gas distribution network could also make storage of CO2 possible, the same way that natural gas is stored, in geological formations.  The algae farms could then turn on the gas when the sun is shining and turn it off when the sun is weak and the algae aren't growing at peak rates.  So 80-90% CO2 reduction could be achieved consistently and the amount of biomass produced would likewise increase.
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    Michael543
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    • Re: CO2 storage and daytime productivity
      Does the algae grow much faster with concentrated sources of CO2?  Otherwise, CO2 removed from the air anywhere is just as good as CO2 removed directly from the source emissions.
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      pjduncan
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    • Re: CO2 storage and daytime productivity
      Old nonproductive oil wells are already being looked at for geological CO2 storage, so that part of your plan is already in place. :-)
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      Peopleunit
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      • Re: CO2 storage and daytime productivity
        I suspect the solution to transportation and storage is really simple.  If the flue gasses are sent through a "wet scrubber," the water from the scrubber will be rich in CO2 (as CO2 is highly soluble in water).  The CO2-rich scrubber water could then be stored and/or piped to algae farms, where it would be exchanged with CO2-depleted water, which would in turn be returned to the neighboring plant.  The only hitch is that the scrubber water might be rich in pollutants.  Could the algae handle that?  Dunno.
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  • more than 100X
    Here is another startup algea bioreactor that is now being built (expected to be ready this spring):
    Valcent - Vertigro:
    http://valcent.net/news_detail.sstg?id=36
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    fourpillars
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  • tailpipe talk...
    A gallon of gas generates 19.6 pounds of carbon, while a gallon of ethanol generates 12.6. However, since ethanol packs only 2/3's the energy  punch of gasoline per unit of volume, you need a gallon and a half to equal the energy contained in a gallon of gas. That  bumps CO2 emissions up to 18.9 pounds.

    Although I can appreciate algal-oil's potential in terms of energy independence, I'm not sure it's such a winner on the climate change front. Yes, algae absorbs and stores carbon as it grows. But so did the ancient algal mats that eventually turned into petroleum oil. To paraphrase Tim Flannery ("The Weather Makers"), fossil fuels are tops when it comes to carbon storage, a gold-plated guarantee (just don't burn them...). Biofuels, by contrast, store carbon for a matter of months before the check is cashed. If what's coming out the tailpipe is virtually the same in terms of CO2, have we really made much progress?

    Dean Kamen says we're solving the wrong problem: Instead of focusing on efficient, task-appropriate transportation options, we're trading one type of oil for another. I think he may be right.

    - Janet A. Ginsburg
    www.germtales.com
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    Janet A. Gin...
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    • Re: tailpipe talk...
      But that is precisely a good point, by replacing the fossil fuels you are not releasing the carbon locked into them. The biofuels are only recycling the carbon already present, they take from the atmosphere and put it back so more or less it's constant. Then you can put into place systems where you reduce the amount of carbon they release or you use that burning to produce eletricity and route the emissions back to the producing plant so most of the carbon gets contained in a loop isolated from the atmosphere while you use the electricity elsewhere. In combination with other approaches and with increasing efficiency in the future and also with the strategic implications, which are EXTREMELY important as they have some of the most immediate effect on human lives, it's makes a great deal of sense to continue research into biofuels.

      O yeah and about micro-organisms, there are also those that produce hydrogen naturally. If you make them efficient you finally provide a good source of hydrogen. Now you can't argue with that.
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      shwetank
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  • Salton Sea anyone?
    Perhaps one of the companies investigating open pond algae production could team up with the state of California to put together a plan for the Salton Sea.  It is a growing environmental disaster.  Agricultural runoff has overloaded it with nutrients and it's become so salty that most of the fish are gone.  Right now it's a smelly mess, and it's well on the way to becoming California's dead sea.

    If federal funds were available as subsidies for biofuel production or CO2 capture, that might be enough when combined with funds for environmental remediation to create a viable solution that so far has eluded past planning efforts.
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    pjduncan
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  • Algae biofuels will bloom In Tamilnadu soon
    we are happy to read about this wonderful news on algae.we are also in this field and I have earmarked my land which is very near to fireworks factories who burn their crackersand chemicals as a result of which massive amonts of CO2 are letinto air...and the small villages are around this fireworks. People live here and are often afflicted by kidney diseases and asthma Tb etc. so we try to reduce this carbon Emission by puttinf Algae Bioponds..and extract biodiesel...
    Any investor is ready to be here in Tamilnadu..
    we welcome
    S.A.Alagarsamy
    9884016142
    www.mgrbiodiesel.com
    India
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    Alagarsamy
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    • Fireworks Disease
      The sick people arround the fireworks factory are probably affected not by CO2, but by the colorants in fireworks. Thes are mostly or ALL metals like arsenic, cadmium etc.

      Algy growing and processing IS something that can be done on the local level in Tamil Nadu or anywhere.

      Also, since Tamil Nadu is on the ocean near the equator, salt tolerant plants like Sliconnia [sic] are a good oil and animal feed crop.
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      nick47g
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  • well!!!
    Can it provide the similar or better performance than regular gasoline as far as vehicles are concerened!
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    • Re: well!!!
      It would be better then gasoline if it was not refined and instead used in a state similar to diesel (biodiesel).  Much higher energy density and with current technologies it is more efficiently burned.  To top it off you can skip the expensive refining techniques.  Keep in mind, the reason our (USA) diesel prices are so high is because of taxes and such.  Diesel is cheaper/easier to produce then gasoline.
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      zifos
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  • Soaking up CO2 power output
    The claim that algae will soak up CO2 emissions from plants and help reduce those emissions is utter nonsense. That CO is being soaked up by algae gardens because it causes faster growth, not because the algae would sequestor any carbon -the carbon is released when the oil from the algae is combusted.
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    theBike45
    04/23/2007
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    • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
      True, burnig the algy produces co2, but one could get fairly close to a closed loop.

      Idealy the oxygen produced could be used to combust the algy and the flue gasses sent out to produce more algy and O2.

      Granted, one needs about 2,000 acres to absorb the co2 from a comercial power station, but if you have plenty of room, and plenty of Sun, the high desert or hig plains might be ideal.

      SO, IN THE END WE WIND UP WITH A 2,000 ACRE SOLAR CELL THAT HAS AN EFICIENCY GREATER THAN THE 15% THAT PHOTO VOLTAICS GIVE!
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      nick47g
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      • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
        Don't get too worried about the 2000 acres. its probably about the same area as the open cut coal mine that feeds the comercial power plant you just mensioned.
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        trevmonster
        04/28/2007
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      • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
        But algae's solar conversion efficiency isn't higher than 15%.  In fact, the theoretical maximum efficiency of photosynthesis is 11%.  Typical efficiency of plants is around 1% (see GreenFuel link below), though I found another source claiming 3%-6% (UN link below). 

        GreenFuel itself cites a figure of 5.4% for its algae.

        That may be better than the photosynthesis in most plants, but it's far less efficient than PV or CSP.

        GreenFuel:
        http://www.greenfuelonline.com/contact_faq.html

        Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN:
        http://www.fao.org/docrep/w7241e/w7241e05.htm
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        jfinlayson
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    • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
      Actually, check back into your old high school biology textbooks.  I believe they talk about the flora of this planet, and, yes, that includes stuff like algae, absorbing, or "breathing" the carbon release by many other organisms of this planet and converting it into oxygen which is then released.  The algae and plants don't just store the carbon, they convert it and release it.  It's kinda logical.

      And by the way, watch the Discovery channel and NGC sometime and you will see there is already at least one company in Arizona that is doing this (though not on a "2000-acre" scale, yet) and harvesting the algae as it grows exceedingly faster due to the immense amount of food (carbon) around it and converting that algae into ethanol that is 5-7 more energy rich than corn and 70% cleaner.  Any carbon produced through the ethanol production process is then fed back into the tubes for the algae to continue growing on.
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      Chad
      05/25/2007
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      • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
        So if you connected a power plant to an algae production complex you would have a nearly ideal closed carbon loop?  That is one of the carbon sequestration plans being contemplated by a proposed plant here in Arizona.  There are many scenarios being evaluated for the CO2 produced.  One is algae and the another is greenhouse production of trees and vegatables as a way to provide a closed carbon cycle instead of stuffing it into the ground.  Nobody here believes it can be done.
         
        I am also intrigued by another article about using CO2 to produce CO and oxygen.  One of the processes in the plant here is to produce CO and hydrogen as a feedstock fuel for the power plant by gasifying a fuel such as coal, petroleum coke, or biomass.
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        bbrown
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    • Re: Soaking up CO2 power output
      You have forgotten to take into consideration that by turning that CO2 into algae and further refining it into biofuel you are displacing and equal amount of petroleum based fuel from use.  Make 50million gallons of ethanol and you keep 50 million or so gallons of gasoline from being burned.  So yes, the carbon from that smoke stack will still go into the atmosphere, but you're still reducing our overall emission levels by increasing the efficiency and utility we get from a single fuel source. 

      And if you still don't want to burn the algae, press it into pellets and dump them into the ocean to feed marine fish.  Their waste and bodies float to the sea floor sequestering the carbon in their solid remains. 
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      Willsmith137
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  • Will the bioreactor approach ever be economical?
    The land use numbers sure look attractive, but what about the capital and O&M costs?

    NREL focused on open pond systems because they calculated that the alternative (enclosed bioreactors) would be too expensive.

    Here's a case study by a scientist who examined Greenfuel's bioreactor process and concluded that it would not be economically competitive below oil prices of $800/barrel.

    http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf
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    jfinlayson
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    • Re: Will the bioreactor approach ever be economical?
      Dear Sir,
      I am paul koti first generation enterpreneur from the state of andhra pradesh, India.  
      I have studied different comments on making Biofuel from pond scum.I certainly belileve that our group efforts in sharing the knowledge  willbe a great help in preparing the Globe less warmer and reducing a lot in co2 emission. 
      Regarding this I got an information from Bio-King, Netherland company about the development they have achieved in the field of  Bio-Diesal from Algae producing through Photo Bio-Reactor. Please suggest your comments on this development.  Is it helpful in preparing the environmentally healthy produce.   
      with best regards and great respect towards your committment of helping the globe not to be more polluted.
      Paul Koti
      paulkoti@yahoo.com
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  • National Algae Association
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



    National Algae Association
    4747 Research Forest Dr., Suite 180
    The Woodlands, Texas 77381
    cecore@aol.com

    National Algae Association, The Woodlands, Texas
    (February 1, 2008)

    Announces the opening of its new headquarters serving all areas of the Algae industry.

    Algae researchers and producers can come together to exchange ideas concerning the latest developments in Algae production and the products made from Algae.  The Association provides an open exchange forum for the publishing of technical papers and the announcement of the results of research into the latest Algae related technologies.  The Association also supports discussion and development of new markets that take advantage of the tremendous potential of Algae, not only as a source of renewable energy, but also in the exploration and development of  other markets for algae products, such as cosmetics, pharmaceuticals and fertilizers.

    For more information contact: cecore@aol.com or 936.321.1125

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