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Affordable solar power using auto parts could make this electricity source far more available.
Demand for solar power is rapidly heating up (see "New Solar Technologies Fueled by Hot Markets"). But constructing and deploying large photovoltaic panels to generate electricity remains expensive. Now two groups at MIT are working on alternative approaches to solar-based electricity that could significantly cut costs -- and put the ability to harvest electricity from the sun into the hands of villagers in poor countries and backyard tinkerers alike.
A set of prototype solar concentrators installed in Lesotho. (Courtesy of Amy Mueller.)
During a stint in the Peace Corps in Lesotho in southern Africa, Matthew Orosz, an MIT graduate student advised by Harold Hemond, professor of civil and environmental engineering, learned that reflective parabolic troughs can bake bread. Now he plans to use these same contraptions to bring power to parts of Africa baked in sun but starved for electricity. His solar generators, cobbled together from auto parts and plumbing supplies, can easily be built in a backyard.
The basic design of Orosz's solar generator system is simple: a parabolic trough (taking up 15 square meters in this case) focuses light on a pipe containing motor oil. The oil circulates through a heat exchanger, turning a refrigerant into steam, which drives a turbine that, in turn, drives a generator.
The refrigerant is then cooled in two stages. The first stage recovers heat to make hot water or, in one design, to power an absorption process chiller, like the propane-powered refrigerators in RVs. The solar-generated heat would replace or augment the propane flame used in these devices. The second stage cools the refrigerant further, which improves the efficiency of the system, Orosz says. This stage will probably use cool groundwater pumped to the surface using power from the generator. The water can then be stored in a reservoir for drinking water.
The design uses readily available parts and tools. For example, both the feed pump and steam turbine are actually power-steering pumps used in cars and trucks. To generate electricity, the team uses an alternator, which is not as efficient as an ordinary generator, but comes already designed to charge a battery, which reduces some of the complexity of the system. And, like power-steering pumps, alternators, including less-expensive reconditioned ones, are easy to come by.
As a result, the complete system for generating one kilowatt of electricity and 10 kilowatts of heat, including a battery for storing the power generated, can be built for a couple thousand dollars, Orosz says, which is less than half the cost of one kilowatt of photovoltaic panels.
"You can't afford something that's designed for solar. You have to buy something that's mass-produced for something else -- that way the cost is reasonable," says Duane Johnson, owner of Red Rock Energy, in White Bear Lake, MN, who developed and sells thousands of the inexpensive LED-based sun-tracking devices Orosz uses to orient the solar concentrators. Most of the devices are used to position photovoltaic panels, he says, but some people are using them with old satellite dishes to concentrate heat and make steam. Sales of his devices have been growing 25 percent a year, a rate similar to that of the solar photovoltaics industry.
Guest (WOV)
Oh good. They've solved global poverty.
Another set of engineers saying that because they've made this water pump / electrical generator / seed harvester / cardboard house / what have you, that *this* will solve why rural poor populations don't have electricity.
It's not a technical problem. It's a social one. (Actually a bunch of them.) And as long as engineers continue to come up with new widgets that will solve it for sure this time, it will still be with us...
Guest (MDEX)
These people had the same opportunities as other races to advance, they are just too lazy to do anything. You'd think that because they are poor and stuff, that they would be motivated to come up with ways to help themselves. Instead, engineers of superior races do all the brainwork.
Guest (Steve)
Uh huh... you sound pretty advanced yourself.
The idea is to bring those who are without, no matter what the reason, the ability to grow. It isn't a matter of race. If you have a doubt, check out the local trailer trash parks.
I hope they continue with their work.
Guest (Ruben)
It's difficult to make great strides in technology when you have to worry about where your next meal will come from or if you have clean water to drink. You make a bad name for your "superior race". Isn't it more superior to help others and share your knowledge for the good of humanity? Thank goodness the engineers who worked on these solar generators were more openminded than you.
Guest (shocked reader)
Guest (Mike Hal)
I thought MDEX made a good show of sarcastic wit to loosen the humorless up a bit - relax already, it's a cool idea... breaking down the institutionalized pricing of an industry like Photov's - seemingly in the 'lucrative' phase - by industrial supply 'dumpster diving' is the key here.
Guest (Dan)
I think MDEX is being given far too much credit for his/her intellectual and humanitarian capacity.
Guest (Dave)
They have a social problem. When people going to those poor cities for diggin a well, they have to check why they dont dig well before by themselves. Often, its a social problem that cause lazy behavior and ... 3000 years ago they was diggin well, so they can now too. Speak to engeneer without border for more details.
Guest (Jeff)
Not about race...its about ease
They dug the wells 3000 years ago because back then there weren't liberal helpniks to enable their lazy behavior. I say giving them some good plans is a move in the right direction but making these things and giving them away goes over the line.
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Guest (Luke)
I believe there are a lot of smart people out there but I don't think MDEX or WOV are very educated. Would you think your PEOPLE would be so great if your country is constantly being plagued with drought, war, and disease. Where do you think all their oppourtunity for advancement would come from??
Guest (CLB)
I think this is more of a social economic problem however widgets have historically helping focus populations. I also think every discipline needs to do its part to make an impact, Engineers engineer. The growing need for power is a profound problem and will require many solutions.
Guest (CKE)
Prior 1st world efforts at aiding the 3rd world have largely been failures. This is because they have centered on giving resources to the local governments to implement large publicly shared infrastructure projects. They failed because of the usual reasons: corruption, larceny, incompetence, civil strife, etc. These new efforts are directed instead at the ultimate end users, the villagers. These end users don't have, and don't need any involvement of their governments to implement these tools. Witness how well the cellphone technology has spread into daily life in these countries, they now outnumber the 1st world in cellphone usage. Because the final users are responsible and capable of operating these devices, and because they will be the direct beneficiaries of its operation, this technology approach, and others like it, will be successful.
Guest (Pete)
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Guest (The Teacher)
True - Solving Rural Poverty Requires More
The solution to the privations of the rural poor is not "inexpensive gadgets". The solution lies in a worldwide economic system that can build wealth for every family. It is not socialism, and current capitalist systems are too brutal and inefficient. WeMSA is presenting a workable, innovative approach that caters to the needs of all groups. See wemsa.net.
Guest (GalaxyM100)
Starting a company to manufacturer the devices for everyday consumer use. Then use part of the profits to invest in the developing countries.
Guest (clan_enoch)
There will always be democrats making them victims...inspite of advancing civilization...available to all who just get up off their DemoWelfare Card...how marxist and so typical...is this really Swim Coach Kennedy?
Guest (kruelhunter)
Saving the world from poverty...
Hear! Hear!
It's good to read signs of intelligent life! Thanx...
Guest (Remi)
Sorry to hear such a pessimistic perspective. While it's helpful to look at the big picture, we can't let it stop us from trying. How about light a candle instead of cursing the darkness?
Guest (CMJ)
Solutions need to be corporate independent
While you're waiting for some scientist to develop a mega solution, sell it to the energy companies, and deploy it in a way that provides the next energy monopoly, the rest of us better support the many smaller solutions which allow a means of independence from the grid.
Guest (Scott Messinger)
You can't MAKE people help themselves. But you can give them the tools to better their situation, if they are so inclined (and able to, given natural, political and social realities). Maybe engineers can't save the world, but they can make the tools to do it.
Re: Oh good. They've solved global poverty.
I think its rather dangerous to ignore the real time needs of people on the ground. New green Do-it-yourself Technology is the key to free energy for everyone. Wars are fought over access to resources. If technologies like Nanosolar's new cheaper solar panels, Brown Gas/HHO/Hydroxy/Aguagen (as its being called in different countries), and permaculture design become wide spread enough they will equalize the power balance and bring on a new age of cooperation.
I suggest do some more research on what these new technologies make possible.
Guest ( Rob B)
I don’t know about all the geo-political issues but I do know that this and many other good, helpful thoughts ultimately percolate to human good. Engineers provide only the means the rest of a society needs to provide the will to use the tools.
This author gets my thank you
Guest (mike s)
that's great, now lets start working on "replicators" just like captain kirk has, and we can make all the parts for free.
Guest (Dale)
My car is about ready to hit 2K miles on the odometer. The paint job is shot, interior roof lining torn out, dents in the side, no hub caps, etc - was wondering what to do with it when it finally gives out on me once and for all... now I know. Rather than selling it off for spare parts - I'll do the dismantling and use the working parts to build one of these!! Hmmmm... I think there's a "donor" sticker on this car's license plate :).
Dale
Raleigh, NC
Guest (eric blair)
http://www.redrok.com/main.htm
Has already mentioned this idea. 10+ years ago.
Guest (0range)
Good: Maybe if enough people mention it enough times, then it'll catch on!
Guest (charlie)
These guys have good information on a low temperature, low cost solar generating system:
http://matteranenergy.com/
See especially the animation pages.
Guest (ABC)
Solar Sterling Engine driving Stirling Engine
While not cost effective liquid air
produced by a mechanically driven
Stirling Engine can cool any project utilising a Heat Exchanger
Guest (paul)
Actually, I was wondering if the heated oil could just drive a Stirling engine to run the generator.
Guest (Morgan)
solar reflectors driving stirling engine
Yep, this company builds giant ones...<a href="http://www.stirlingenergy.com/">http://www.stirlingenergy.com</a>
I think it's a bit more challenging to build a dish that would properly focus on one point rather than a parabola to focus on a line... at least for a hobbyist anyway. And a dish also has to move more often to stay pointed at the sun. But cool technology, none the less. I want one on my roof.
Guest (lee mcclune)
Solar Reflector, simple low cost,,
All you need to built a real neat solar concentrator(my son and I built one in'70 for his science project), is a flat piece of light metal, some 3M reflective film(Silverlux(R)), and a parabolic shape(piece of 1" wood), attach film to metal, attach metal/film to to wood shape
, need to predrill holes for the pipe/collector(copper tube,or pipe
should be black to adsorb the heat
(can cover with thin plastic or film or leave open(to keep clean)(depending on how long, need a insert about every 2ft, depends on metal and how well bent), good luck, LFM
Guest (Peter)
Why not use the parabolic trough to focus on a line of solar cells, eliminating all the other steps? If the cost of a cell based system at 1X magnification if twice the mechanical system, the concentrated system would only have to give 2X magnification to match the mechanical.
Guest (Bob)
The main problem with focusing radiation onto PVs is that they become much less efficient when heated.
Guest (CQ)
Bob is correct. You must design a reflective system that also refracts,, and then make sure that you do not reflect any of the the IR portion onto the PV cell. The key is... How can that be done economically?
Guest (William)
I was a consultant to a USAID project for small business development in Namibia, and since involved with and assisting a family and neighborhood there. I can tell you that the problem is grass roots technology that affects the immediate transition from working to barely survive, to working to build some base for advancement. If you think intelligence is racially inherited read Jared Diamond's Gun's Germs and Steel, and become educated why technology developed faster in some places that were previously backwaters. It was a matter of luck, and later, of oppression and greed, and as in Namibia sometimes wholesale murder. It is not a laughing matter. I'm going to build one of these things. It looks like it will help my friends. Yes they master technology that can be used without overhead they cannot afford.
Guest (Marck)
Do you know where to find infomation on how to build one of these generators?
Guest (Matt)
http://www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html
Link to build a solar generator from 1996, build off from there. You could focus the sun and power and middle gen. But the article states the basic philosophy behind it
Guest (Colin )
I was on the island of Abaco in the Bahamas and they had some fiftyfive gallon barrels on the roof of the community laundry that were cut in half with black pvc pipe at the focal point. They looked just like Amy Mueller's picture at the top. These supplied hot water for washing clothes. They may have been lined with foil.
Guest (Ralph A. Davis)
This simple turbine is more efficient than any type steam power. See >> hometown.aol.com/ecomtors <<
Guest (AndrewM)
Can you please check your link as it seems to be incorrect
Guest (Charlie Corder)
I believe the address you gave needs attention.
Guest (Matt)
Guest (Dale)
For the record, the url is http://hometown.aol.com/ecomotors/
I hope the man gets his patent and funding! That would be awesome.
Guest (DanB)
That site is terrible. The rambles about the goverment and harnessing a tornado and then expects you to pay $50 for more information? Gimmie a break...
Guest (michael)
to view all the comments to this article? There should be a "view all" button. Scrolling up and down is a real PITA.
Guest (Tyler Durden)
save the worlds poverty stricken, but I fear it is too complex a system. What will happen when the engineers have left the system in a village and something breaks? Who is going to fix it? Many of these technology based solutions fail because they fail to address the education problem. This system puts the village electric supply, water supply, and who knows what else all into one system. If one thing goes wrong, all these critical life supports fail at the same time. What will happen if some guy in the village decides he needs the oil in the system for a tractor, or he can sell the oil for enough to buy his family a meal or two? Those reflectors look like they might make a nice roof...
Guest (DrBunsen)
You underestimate the skill base of rural villagers. There's usually someone who knows how to keep cars going with next to nothing in the way of modern tools, if not in that village then a few villages over. As this system is based on common car and plumbing supplies, I don't see this being a problem. Besides, NGOs have learnt a lot from past mistakes and do take these things into consideration these days.
Guest (busted 4xs)
while helping sail a dentist's yacht from Bora Bora west, we stopped at the very next island a half day away. Lo and behold the one hotel had a generator that kept the one refrigerator cold which kept the island's total supply of Hinano Beer cold. Alas the engine wouldn't work nor was the beer cold. The islanders were not very happy. When confronted with "no cold beer" I accepted the challenge of the dead endgine...and with one twist of a snarkle felder, the engine started withj a whoosh...I was a GOD! We partied for two solid weeks...the whole village came out to honor the GOD. Two weeks later the beer ran out...owell fun while it lasted...I'd bet that many villagers today are near-sighted as a result of the cultural exchange...hahahahaaaaaaaa
Guest (NJR)
He means, none of the villagers could read English, and he turned the valve handle that read "Fuel Supply" to "ON" ;)
Guest (QuidProQuo)
Guest (Gary Hope)
I am deeply shocked by how limited people think ingenuity and motivation are in the poor and under developed communities of the world.
Guest (Gary Hope)
Whilst I can’t profess to truly understand the complexities of the contributing factors to and remedies for poverty in poor rural communities, living in Africa and coming into contact with poor people on a daily basis I must admit to being regularly impressed with these peoples capacity to remain motivated and solve the sometimes complex problems of surviving in a simple manner.
Guest (Gary Hope)
In the urban areas around where I live you see people who sit on the side of the road and sell use of their cellular phone to other abundant individuals without the luxury of telecommunications, making a margin on the air time used. If you look under the table upon which these transactions take place you will see a twelve volt car battery. As you move further out of town you will notice these vendors become less and less evident, not because there is any less demand but because there is less and less accessible power sources to charge these batteries that literally power these businesses (see how far you can walk whist carrying a car battery).
Guest (Gary Hope)
These kinds of innovations can change people’s lives for the better overnight.
Engineering does not offer a silver bullet to these complex problems, it only provides options, but believe me options may be all that is missing to make significant difference in some communities lives.
Guest (Mark)
Sterling engine/Solar Generator
Checkout Infinia corp. they have a solar powered generator using a sterling engine.
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While the Africans may have provided the first concept for the sun reflectors, it took a lot more original thought and technical design skills to get to this final product. I think your giving the MIT guy too little credit. Finally , someone who thinks of solar energy in the eyes' of an engineer, not an enviromentalist. A completely replenishable energy as long as the sun rises source and modern technologies to store energy when it doesn't, and all people want to think about is how it benefits the enviroment? Well, yeah, great, it makes Earth green, but how do we actually make it cost-effective? This guy figures it, and I applaud him. I'm astounded that this comes after we have all the miserable failures with solar panel cars.
Guest (rick)
Pointless in most places at most times
The gigantic downside of this idea is that unless there is enough heat to create steam, which is a decently high thresh-hold, then no power can be produced. Solar cells create some power everyday, even on cloudy days or in the winter.
Guest (Scott)
what kind of glue would to attach the mylar to the board. i just hapen to have a lot of mylar
Guest (Charles)
Want to read replies, but not worth the effort
Is it just me or is it pure hell trying to read these replies with the screen jumping down? Then scrolling back up to find the next response. This reply structure is very annoying.
Guest (Chris Horn)
The usability of the reply block is pretty close to as bad as it gets.
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Guest (Tomas)
I am building a EcoVillage in Honduras...
Where can I find plans to build this system???
Guest (richard)
Are you looking for people to populate your ecovilliage in Honduras or need any assistance at all with this project?
Our company last year lauched this products and got big sales globally,if you're interested,please contact me:William at market3@wgmax.com or log on our website at www.duxlite.com.
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Guest (Green)
If you really want to help move to these areas and work with them. The reason cultures advance is competition and fresh ideas. Rural villages don't get a lot of fresh ideas. Same plan as last year, but with different weather is the norm for 2/3rds of the world. When 1st worlders(of any race) become citizens of 3rd world nations and bring wealth and ideas- then things can change.
here is a relevant site w/plans for free!
http://phoenixnavigation.com/ptbc/articles/ptbc35.htm
Re: here is a relevant site w/plans for free!
I will like to build one. Can you send me copies of those plans? loenzoherald@yahoo.com Thanks,
Sorry, maybe I've missed it but I looked through all of the above web links. I don't see the plans for Orosz's design. Can you please make them available? I'd like to know the type of refrigerant, type of plumbing (copper pipe vs. rubber hoses), brand and model number of the water pumps (or at least the vehicles they came from), details of the heat exchangers, and details of the cycle (temps and pressures). Thx
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Can you email some sketches showing how to draw the curve using a carpenters square.
Thanks
I would like to have the prints and material list for this project . I think we should continue to help under privileged people regardless of their race. We could learn from the outcome and thus help ourselves.We are all human ..............
over the past several years i,ve been experimenting with combinations of solar wind power generation. haveing little or no knowledge of the subject i turned to the net for information. very helpful although many times confusing.i learned the basics and experimented with the information allotted me. at this point i am still learning what not to do. my pv system is much more efficient than the wind pma but they do compliment eachother. the reason the pv is more efficient is obvious, due to the fact it,s simpler to set up, albeit more expensive to acquire, with the heavy cables, connecters, load controller and load panel, diodes etc . the pma will only develope a small amount of current (1 to 2 amps) at it's nominal working speed of about 450 rpm. when summer rolls back around i plan on building a solar concentrater with some mirrors i have acquired, approximately 1000 disc shaped mirrors 7" diameter and i'll use discarded sattelite discs for the parabolic shape. i also have an idea in the works utilizeing a solar patio light, a length of abs tubeing, an automotive window motor, a couple relays, some threaded rod, 2 limit switches and some inginuity t build a solar tracking device. btw cooling your pv will help considerably when used in conjunction with the solar concentrator. try useing a 12volt submersible bilge pump hooked to a sprinkler system below the pv, and if your pv,s are roof mounted the excess flow can be collected through the rain gutter, and recirculated. of course the temperature of the water will rise steadily as it runs off the roof. then it can be used to shower with or wash dishes or clothing. i'd like to think there are more macquivers and hope to here from you
Manufacturing in the United States is in trouble. That's bad news not just for the country's economy but for the future of innovation.
Guest (Bill)
Parabolic reflectors
A book was published in the 70's outlining simple methods of producing parabolic reflectors. As sun trackers were not readily available then, a clock mechanism was used control the orientation of the reflectors.
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Guest (Dale)
car to elaborate? How do you make one?
I was thinking that the reflector would be the most expensive thing in this solar energy solution. Can these be made by someone with access to the local college metal shop? I'm thinking 50-gal steel drum cut in half, or something like that...
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Guest (Andre)
Cheap Easy Parabola
Glue aluminumized mylar (reflective plastic sheet) to a piece of formica and bend, cut end blocks to form the shape and ther at alle you go. Not expensive
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Guest (John Handy)
Parabola
Easy and cheap parabola but the shape is critical. Where Can I get a pattern for the end blocks?
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Guest (Maker)
parabolas
A parabola is just one-half of an elipse cut the short way. To make an elipse, drive two nails into a sheet of plywood at each of a straight line (length doesn't matter really). Then make a loop of string that can hook on one nail and extend past the second nail some distance, say 30% the distance between the two nails (this distance also doesn't matter). Then hook a pencil inside the loop and trace around the two nails, keeping the string taught always. This will draw an elipse. If you cut the elipse in half halfway between the nails, each half will be a parabola with the focal point at the nail.
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Guest (jimbo)
a 'half elipse' is not a parabola
anybody remember graphing parabolas in high school math? get a presentation pad with gridlines from an office supply store and graph some parabolas. y=x^2
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Guest (postman)
More on Parabolic Math
To go one further, for a solar trough collector it's also convenient to place your collection pipe level with the endpoints of your parabola. This is good for providing mechanical support and easily finding your focal point. This requires an extension to the basic parabola formula. Unfortunately I did that derivation 30 years ago when I was far more mathematically astute and don't have it handy any more.
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Guest (riverrock)
Parabolic math and things
Shouldn’t the parabola used in such a system be very accurately built?
I understand that sun rays hitting points on the parabola will reflect to the focus, thus heating the pipe carrying the liquid.
I found free sites on the internet that provide sun azimuth and vertical angles from any location, based on the time of day, any day.
I believe that a light weight hard, but flexible material covered with a highly reflective surface material could do the job.
What I’d like to learn is how a steam turbine would be connected to the feed pipe at the focus?
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Guest (Charlie Queen)
Parabolic Math
The formula for a parabolic curve is X * x = 4 * P * Y.
To solve for Y, divide X squared by 4* P, where P is the focal point. This will give you the parabolic curve for a given focal point.
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falk
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Re: a 'half elipse' is not a parabola
If the ellipse is eccentric enough, it will be close enough to a parabola to do the job.
Ways to draw an ellipse:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/MATHALGO/Ellipses.HTM
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john milton
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how to construct a parabolic concentrator curve
1 Obtain a piece of plywood
2 Draw a straight line close to one edge (will call this the "base line")
3 Partially hammer in a nail some distance above the base line. this will be the focal point.
4 Obtain a framing square (the metal L shaped thing carpenters use).
5 Place the square so that the outside edge of one leg is touching the nail and the outside corner of the square is touching the base line.
6 Draw a line along the outside edge of the leg of the square not touching the nail, then extend this line to the edge of the plywood
7 Reposition the square to a new location that still meets both the criteria of step #5
8 Draw a new line as per step 6
9 repeat steps 7 & 8 many times, the line segments you draw will describe the parabola (in fact each of them is a tangent to it at some point)
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jsixis
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Re: a 'half elipse' is not a parabola
Close enough is not good enough.
If you can't increase the "suns" hitting the pipe then you just made a fancy batch heater so you'll get 150 degree water vs 400.
I just spent 1 week making 2 collectors using a freeware calculator, after checking it with a laser pointer it turned out it was for a solar stove.
It did focus 30 degrees onto the pipe and if exactly lined up I could get steam in 15 minutes
but if the rest of the parabolic dish actually hit the pipe steam would be almost instant.
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dinesh13
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Re: a 'half elipse' is not a parabola
How to draw parabola with it's exact focal point, kindly confirm.
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dannf
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Re: a 'half elipse' is not a parabola
An ellipse is not a parabola. However, a pipe is also neither a point nor a line.
You only need a 'perfect' parabola if you need to focus to a perfect point/line. Your target is a pipe, something of sufficiently larger diameter, and it blocks a fairly wide angle of a poorly focused reflected beam.
Depending on the pipe size, the reflector can be somewhere between a half circle, a half elipse and a parabola and still work. If the pipe surface is dark enough (dark forest green absorbs IR very well, black is OK but also radiates a lot of heat) it will still capture most of the reflected beam.
You can approximate the parabola by holding/pinning the ends of a string as long as the width of your reflector sheet against the edge of a piece of cardboard, and just let it hang. The uniform weight-per-unit-length of the string causes it to sag in the shape of a parabola. Tilt the cardboard so the string is just touching to the piece of cardboard and mark the line.
The focal point for the parabola is on a vertical line half way between the two pins. (Draw the vertical centerline on the cardboard.)
Problem: You can make as many parabolic shapes as you wish with one string, by moving each end toward or away from the centerline (equidistant). However the focus of the parabola moves up/down the centerline with each change in width of the pins.
Now the amount of sunlight captured depends on the distance between the pins... and the maximum energy reflected is, of course a flat panel, but the focus is at infinity...which is not good. If you bring both ends of the string together the focal point is at the very bottom of the 'loop' of string. Maximum collection by reflection, but zero collection surface... also not good.
The "right answer" is somewhere between.
If you have a flexible reflector sheet, use the string to draw a 'good' parabola, say about half as deep as it is wide. Then hold the panel against the cardboard roughly pointed toward the sun and see where the 'focus' hits the cardboard (WEAR one or two pair of SUNGLASSES!!!!). Adjust the width/curve of the panel (moving both edges closer to or away from the center line) until you get the focused beam near the edge of the cardboard, centered between the pins.
That is close to optimum. Remember you will have a pipe there to collect the beam, not a point on the cardboard.
Practical Approach: To really play with it, draw a black disk or dark circle of paper the diameter of the heater pipe, centered on the line at the edge of the cardboard, and see how the beam collects as you change width of the parabola.
Theoretical Approach: Do a lot of math.
Pragmatic Approach: Look at someone else's design and take a few measurements.
Now it becomes a design/fabrication issue. Is your pipe going to be 'inside' the curve of the parabolic sheet so that the pipe must pass through the end support pieces? Then move the pipe 'down' closer to the curved sheet, move the
'ends' of the parabola closer and lose a little area of sunlight capture. Or do you want to keep the pipe independently supported so it is not locked to the parabolic dish? Then move the pipe 'Up' away from the reflector and widen the parabola. This increases reflective area, but exposes the pipe more to the air/winds. These are design/fabrication considerations.
Then when you build (at least your first unit), you should have some nominal adjustment of the pipe position, an inch or so up or down, so you can tweak its position on the focus line for optimum operation.
In the 1960's I built a solar hot dog cooker using a photographer's tintype and plywood ends. The wire for the hot dogs rested in notches in the plywood, The unit did not focus 'perfectly on the wire, but it did capture all the energy in the wider 'dogs'... it worked very well.
The largest variable in heating rate for it and for solar heaters is how well your parabola is pointed at the sun, so solar tracking is a must for optimum use.
Many years ago I saw an ingenious, home made, passive hydraulic solar tracking system. It used a set of four black hydraulic cylinders, positioned on a frame, one on each side of and behind the solar panel. When pointed directly at the sun each of the cylinders was halfway shadowed from the sun by the solar panel... they were all balanced at equal 'temperatures'.
As the 'sun' moved it would expose one or two of the cylinders more than the others, heating them up more and moving the frame until it was balanced again... and pointed directly at the sun. The unit had to be reset to point eastward each morning, but even that could be 'automated' with a few weights and an internal hydraulic 'leak'.
Has that been commercialized yet?
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dinesh13
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Kindly arrange to send details about design and fabrication of Solar parabolic concentrators on aditya1369@gmail.com
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Guest (scott)
cheep and easy
I have about 100 sheets of mylar.
what kind of glue should i use to glue it to the formica
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Romawat
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Someone asked how to glue the mylar to the formica. You can apply it just like window tinting: spray the formica with soapy water, carefully apply the mylar, and squeegee the excess water to and out the sides. Blot the excess liquid and tape the seams (use aluminized tape if you really must), to keep the mylar from peeling. As long as the edges remain taped, the mylar cannot come away from the formica. Smooth formica is best and will provide the superior reflection.
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frazelle09
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i just found this blog. It's really great. We are building our first solar trough and have been looking all over for how to "glue" our Mylar to our 10' x 4' sheet of galvanized metal. Now we have the answer -- water! The person who sold us the Mylar recommended Gorilla Glue which we found to be expensive and it says on the bottle not to be used on plastics. i had thought that water might be possible but this post seems to confirm its usefulness.
Here is a link to our "project" -- i hope i can post links...
http://www.fundacionanisa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34%3Asolarhotwater&catid=35%3Asustaindevelcategoria&Itemid=43<=en
We are still unsure about how to mount this thing -- my friend, Rafael -- just called to say he has found a bearing we can use which will all the trough to be mounted more vertically and still turn on its axis so we can then solve the problem of how to get it to mechanically rotate.
We hope to be able to build them and sell them to the tortilla stores which use a lot of hot water to make tortillas here in Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico.
Have a great evening! :)
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timwood202000
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I tried a similar experiment using mylar and hanging mylar over two saw horses with a ratio of 1' deep and 4' wide. I could not get a clear focus and the highest temp I reached was 143 F. Do you know where the larger power companies buy their troughs??
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Parabolic Reflectors
I think nonimaging optics would solve the tracking problem and reduce costs further.
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Rob-in-texas
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I worked at a solar collection siste in New Mexico in the 80s.. The tracking device is actually simple ot make. simply use 4 photo-optic sensors in a box with a clear cover facing the sky. The tracking boxes were actually mounted to the tops of the troughs.
Align was achieved by having two sensors in the sun, and two still in the shaded area of the sensor board.. think of it as a rectangle with a smaller square opening.. the output of the photo sensors drove relays to reversible electric motors.
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Guest (John)
Parabolic dish
A inexpensive parabolic dish can be purchased from Edmund Scientic. They have a pretty short focal length, 3.5". But for $50 for a 24" dish is pretty cheap.
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MyTonyTiger
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You could use an old satellite dish. You know, the old 6, 8, 10, or 12 foot dishes hardly anyone uses anymore. Set up correctly, the actuator (motor) on each one could easily track the sun. You could even run the plumbing through the center of the dish up to the focal point and back.
Just an idea. ;-)
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aymaneman
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i love to be have a knoleg abuot any thing new , and i like wht yo have in your web set
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timwood202000
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you speakie willy good English
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dinesh13
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dinesh13
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Dear sir,
Kindly arrange to send details about Parabolic trough design and clock machanism for tracking.
I would like to fabricate parabolic trough in my work shop hence furnish the details.
Kindly send the reply on my e-mail ID - aditya1369@gmail.com
Thank you,
Dinesh.
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