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GE's Risky Energy Research

Michael Idelchik, VP of Advanced Technologies, discusses energy research.

  • Friday, September 25, 2009
  • By Kevin Bullis

Michael Idelchik is vice president of advanced technologies at GE Research, one of the world's largest corporate research organizations. He oversees a wide range of projects, including ones aimed at improving conventional energy sources--with better coal and gas turbines, for example--as well as projects involving renewable energy, primarily wind turbines. At the EmTech@MIT 2009 conference, Technology Review spoke to Idelchik about some of GE's most daring long-term research efforts.

Technology Review: What is the riskiest, most early-stage research going on at GE Research?

Michael Idelchik: We're an industrial research lab, so early-stage is relative. But we have a number of projects that take years to develop. I'll give you a couple. Pulse detonation technology, or supersonic combustion. With this one, rather than burning fuel at constant pressure, you let the pressure rise, so basically you generate a shock wave; you're releasing heat in a detonation. An existing turbine burns at constant pressure. With detonation, pressure is rising, and the total energy available for the turbine increases. We see the potential of 30 percent fuel-efficiency improvement. Of course realization, including all the hardware around this process, would reduce this.

TR: In reality, the efficiency improvement in a power plant would be lower than 30 percent. How much would the improvement actually be?

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MI: I think it will be anywhere from 5 percent to 10 percent. That's percentage points--say from 59 to 60 percent efficient to 65 percent efficient. We have other technology that will get us close [to that] but no other technology that can get so much at once. It's very revolutionary technology.

TR: How will this technology be used?

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MI: The first application will definitely be land-based--it will be power generation at a natural-gas power plant.

TR: You will be detonating the fuel over and over again, something like an internal combustion engine?

MI: Basically you detonate anywhere from 50 to 80 hertz. Then you have unsteady flow going into the turbine. So you need to rethink how your turbine works. You don't have a steady flow anymore.

TR: What are some of the challenges, in terms of materials or that sort of thing, to making that work?

MI: You have to look at the mechanical stability, vibrational analysis. You have to protect the compressor; detonation happens in both directions, so you have to close one end. So controls and synchronization of the detonation chambers become a really big challenge as well. You have to absorb the energy from detonation and convert it to shaft horsepower. That has to be done very well, otherwise you can lose everything in the turbine. What blade design and nozzle design will allow you to extract the most horsepower?

TR: What advances in materials or computation make this thinkable now?

MI: The ability to do multiscale models and simulations--you have from nanoseconds all the way up to 20 to 30 milliseconds. Evolution of valve technology and materials to go with that. Understanding how to design a robust detonation tube, how to produce detonation consistently and operate within the load range of the turbine, from idle to max power.

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Mapou

356 Comments

  • 865 Days Ago
  • 09/25/2009

Seismic Shift Ahead

It was a pleasure to read this inteview. It felt good because Mr. Idelchik gives the listener/reader a taste of the passion, ingenuity, and steadfast dedication that can exist in such a big corporation as GE. It's a tribute to humanity as a whole, as I'm sure this sort of enthusiastic can-do attitude exists elsewhere.

Nevertheless, I can't help but feel somewhat saddened because there is reason to believe that Mr. Idelchik's life as an energy researcher and that of every other energy researcher around the globe will soon undergo a seismic paradigm shift. We are on the verge of a breakthrough in physics that will make almost every current approach to energy production and transportation obsolete.

There is clear evidence that we are swimming in an ocean of clean energy, lots and lots of it. A new form of transportation and energy production technology will arrive soon, one based on the realization that we are immersed in an immense lattice of energetic particles. This is a consequence of a reevaluation of our understanding of the causality of motion. Soon, we'll have vehicles that can move at tremendous speeds and negotiate right angle turns without slowing down and without incurring damages due to inertial effects. Floating cities, unlimited clean energy, earth to Mars in hours, New York to Beijing in minutes... That's the future of energy and travel.

My advice to Mr. Idelchik and his colleagues is this; they would do well to meditate deeply about the writing on the wall and prepare themselves for the huge change clouds appearing over the horizon.

The Problem With Motion:
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2009/09/physics-problem-with-motion-part-i.html

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DJTal

154 Comments

  • 865 Days Ago
  • 09/25/2009

Re: Seismic Shift Ahead

Unfortunately mapou there is no time to wait around for a great new 'ENERGY REVOLUTION'. People have tried this before and it just doesn't happen. We need to make use of existing technologies.

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chemistry

5 Comments

  • 862 Days Ago
  • 09/28/2009

Re: Seismic Shift Ahead

Yea this energy revolution sounds epic! I cannot wait! Do you think Obama will discover it? I'm sure he will hes going to fix everything!!!
Reality is harsh. Wake up and realize the only energy revolution that will occur is the one created by us. God, Obama, Bush, and MIT all combined will not produce what our society needs. The engineers (young and old) are the key to our energy revolution. Quit reading blogs about the revolution and being a rebel!! and start reading about how to actually contribute. understand what is going on around you on a daily basis, and understand how to fix the flaws.

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Mapou

356 Comments

  • 862 Days Ago
  • 09/28/2009

You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

Thanks for the advice. My advice to you is to try to grok the true causal nature of motion. The same goes to Obama, Bush and everyone else. And why not? Even politicians will have no trouble grasping the concept. It's not rocket science. Heck, it will make rocket science obsolete overnight. One thing is certain:

You don't understand motion even if you think you do.

This is true, especially if you're a physicist, a chemist or a rocket scientist. Sorry.

Understanding the Lattice:
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2009/09/understanding-lattice-part-i.html

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GaryB

119 Comments

  • 861 Days Ago
  • 09/29/2009

Re: You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

Yes! Big science is completely wrong because [(insert one) they won't publish my papers; a conspiracy of the scientific priesthood; the Jews] and this is being suppressed by [(choose one) big oil, GM, the military industrial complex] because [(choose one) they hate me, it upsets existing monopolies, of a government secret reserved for the military, it would free humanity from government control, of the Jews].  If only good and free men would take up the blogger's mantle and pontificate on free and abundant [energy, transportation, dark energy, quantum lattice/foam, higher dimensions, other buzzwords, the Jews].

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Mapou

356 Comments

  • 860 Days Ago
  • 09/30/2009

Re: You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

Man, give me a break. I don't give a rat's posterior whether or not the scientific community takes me seriously. They don't put food on my table. And what's with the Jewish thing? I love Jews and everybody else.

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pao2

6 Comments

  • 853 Days Ago
  • 10/07/2009

Re: You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

Hello Mapou,
I will like to read your dissertation or published article on this subject. The link you post is to your blog.  A published article in a scientific journal or an approved dissertation by the dissertation committee in your school that can be accessed online  via the school library will give you more credibility than a blog you set up by yourself.

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Mapou

356 Comments

  • 852 Days Ago
  • 10/08/2009

Re: You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

You're kidding me? You obviously haven't read my stuff.

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Scottar

25 Comments

  • 467 Days Ago
  • 10/28/2010

Re: You Don't Understand Motion Even If You Think You Do

Been to your site and looking at your background you are just an armchair physicist, no peer reviewed published papers, not even a prototype.

As the commercial goes, where's the beef?

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samurai.stewart

5 Comments

  • 861 Days Ago
  • 09/29/2009

Moving on

It was a very good article and i cant wait for the continued improvements to efficiency to be implemented. I also dont believe in waiting for the energy revolution. If everyone waited for it, it wouldnt come. Only moving forward will bring the changes needed for this revolution.

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SVE

51 Comments

  • 859 Days Ago
  • 10/01/2009

Excellent Overview!

He hit all the right notes on things that need to be done to get renewables bigger. And only a company the size of a GE can pull this stuff off. I'm heartened that we got a player of this size and technological heft working on it.

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Siphon

152 Comments

  • 849 Days Ago
  • 10/11/2009

An even bigger risk

will be that someone else develops an even better technology earlier and you're stuck with a tech that can't get market share.

If someone develops a solid oxide fuel cell that is robust, low cost and more efficient, for example, then this ignition thing will be useless for power generating markets.

This risk is the most difficult to deal with, since it is exogenous to the development cycle, and can thus not be managed by the inventor/company... except for developing the alternative themselves of course! That is in this case, if GE increases development effort of SOFCs as well. Or buy up succesful SOFC companies if GE is feeling lazy...

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