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Wednesday, April 02, 2008

On Markets and Complexity

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By Nate Nickerson

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TR: So what do you make of the current crisis?

RM: Anything I or anyone else tells you about it has got to be speculation, because the pathology hasn't been done. We really don't have all the data, and so very good stories we come up with now may not turn out to be the accurate explanation. And certainly I don't have the access that many other people who are in this have. But I would point out a couple of things that are structural that fit this. You'll hear in this case as in the past, "Look at all this financial innovation or financial engineering--it's caused too much complexity, and now the system has run off the tracks." To that I would say, structurally, one would expect that in the case of a successful innovation, the infrastructure to support it properly will lag behind. Why is that? It's because if you have 100 innovations, maybe 2 of them will be successful. So it is not practical to build a full infrastructure--regulatory, educational, et cetera--for all 100 innovations. Innovations are going to run ahead of the infrastructure. That, we have to recognize, is structural. It's not about bad people, it's not about incompetent people, it's not about greedy people. It's not about having a market system or a nonmarket system. Whether the problems are addressed by external regulation or a combination of that along with internal regulation--whatever set of ways, we have to be prepared when innovations come in to have some degree of oversight modulation. If you do too much of that and you stifle innovation, that's not good. If you do none at all, that's not good either. So there's something in between. Sometimes we don't do enough of it, or the growth of innovation is too quick, but the point is that there is a reason why you will typically find that financial crises are often connected with what are perceived as new things, big changes--innovations.

TR: Okay. So when you overhear people say, "The market is more complex today," what do you most want to tell them?

RM: Yes, the markets are more complex today than they were five or ten years ago. On the whole, I believe that complexity is a reflection on improvements in the system that made possible greater complexity within an acceptable risk range. The benefits came from performing the functions of the financial system either more efficiently or [from] performing more of them. That said, complexity also raises the specter of risks that can cause a crisis in which you don't fully understand what's happening, because you're in a new environment where the structures are different from what they were ten years ago. There's a psychological reason for that. We tend to be much more comfortable doing something familiar than we are with doing something new, even if the risk is the same in both cases. I'm not saying that bad things haven't happened. But if you take a horizon of, say, ten years, on the whole, the system is structurally better, but we probably have had a mismatch between the infrastructural growth and the growth of the innovations such that we find ourselves in a situation that is very costly and expensive and unnerving.

TR: Back in 1973, when you had enhanced the Black-Scholes model for the pricing of a stock option, did you have any idea about the growth of complexity that was going to unleash?

RM: Well, I couldn't have anticipated the enormous growth. But we did recognize, even back then, that its applicability went far beyond options. Also, it was coincident with the 1970s, when the world got turned upside down. You had the breakdown of Bretton Woods [the international agreement, set up in 1944, that created rules and institutions for international trade, and which pegged currencies to gold], so you suddenly had all these currencies floating; you had interest rates in double digits in the United States, which probably hadn't been seen since the Civil War; you had inflation rates in double digits; you had the stock market between 1973 and the end of 1974 fall by 50 percent, which was a greater fall than had been seen since the Great Depression; and you had the oil shocks. All of this created a high need for the development of risk sharing. So the futures market and the options market were all created back then. It was a response to need. It wasn't about capability, it was about need. You can have all the technology in the world, you can have all the great models in the world, and if there isn't a perceived need, it doesn't get adopted.

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  • market complexity?
    devassocx on 04/02/2008 at 1:30 AM
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    So this guy sliced and diced and tried to make
    sense out of a random system...and then it blew up.

    And now he is now teaching new generations of people how to do the same thing?

    I would say unbelievable.

    The current credit crisis is largely due to an investment community that leveraged dubious and overly complex investment vehicles using theories that are just wrong.

    The damage that has been done to economies around the world is obvious and devastating.

    Investment vehicles are not silicon chips.

    Its way past time to return to real values and not some grossly leveraged and imaginary FrankenEonomics techniques.
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    • Re: market complexity?
      z0rr0 on 04/02/2008 at 10:55 AM
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      Transactional Capitalism - increase the volume of transactions, regardless of value, and attach a fee to each. The complexity assures that only a few will benefit... and they have, in great gobs.
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    inboulder on 04/02/2008 at 7:09 PM
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    "It wasn't about capability, it was about need. You can have all the technology in the world, you can have all the great models in the world, and if there isn't a perceived need, it doesn't get adapted."

    Um, shouldn't that be adopted?

    Also, I agree with the above, hedge fund managers lose to the s&p 500 80% of the time, the other 20% managed to get ahold of 'hot tips', but they all make themselves great wads of cash off the rake.
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  • On Markets and Complexity
    jmaximus9 on 04/02/2008 at 9:52 PM
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    The system is rigged in favor of the ringmasters, PT Barnum should have said there is a investor born every minute. The market needs a complete transformation. 
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  • The Key Roles of Regulation and Sociopaths
    aheiber on 04/02/2008 at 11:30 PM
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    This article points out the many ways, including innovation, that a deficiency in regulation can open up vulnerabilities to disaster. Capitalism runs on the rails of regulation. This is a Judeo-Christian culture and, thus, has an overburden of sociopaths, who are ever alert to opportunities to profit by doing harm to others.

    It is usual for economic models, expecially those promoted by conservative economists, to fail to include the potent role of sociopaths. Whenever there is an attempt at deregulation, such as savings and loans or energy, the sociopaths see and seize the opportunity with a result of costly harms. It doesn't matter whether the regulatory deficiency was purposely created by misguided believers in the regulation effects of competitive markets or by the lags of regulatory infrastructure in a changing environment. A sufficient excess of regulation is required to keep the sociopaths at bay.
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  • Macro Economics
    denali1996 on 04/03/2008 at 4:44 PM
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    This guy is talking about detailed intricacies of economic theory.  This is complex and interesting and way over 99.9% of the country.  The simple version is that unheralded economic prosperity drove many people to invest poorly in high risk ways...like buying houses that they can't afford with ARMs at interest rates at near historic lows (when they are at the bottom, they only go one way). This is not the fault of mortgage companies.  If someone told you that you qualified to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, that doesn't mean you should.  Use some common sense.  Big surprise!...sometimes there is a Bull market and sometimes there is a Bear market.  Economics doesn't work without both.  Don't be mad at government because you made risky decisions.  Those people that realized 10 years of Bull markets was a little unusual are going to use the current "recession" to make a lot of money. Simply put: Investing works on the bigger idiot theory.  You can make a lot of money if you don't end up being the bigger idiot. If you do end up the bigger idiot, be smarter next time.  The Bull will be back.
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  • model went bust
    stephan.froede on 09/22/2008 at 12:40 PM
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    I just think their models went bust, the most expensive falsification in human history.

    The next step will be to create models that try to model the interaction of models on the market, multidimensional model interaction model or so...

    More RAM and CPU needed, buy Intel and IBM etc....
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