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A Cleaner, Cheaper Route to Titanium

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By Neil Savage

Wednesday, June 07, 2006

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So far, though, Sadoway and colleagues have made only a few grams with an experimental reactor cell. It's hard for the small, ceramic device to sustain the high temperature needed. Avanti is hoping to raise enough money from investors to build a larger prototype to actually produce a pool of liquid titanium. Sadoway hopes to begin putting together a team of scientists by August and to build working titanium smelters by August 2008.

Nabil Elkouh, president of Erigo Technologies, a consulting firm that puts together deals between researchers and investors, and who's an advisor to Avanti, cautions that their projection of producing titanium at one-tenth of the current cost, may be optimistic at this point. "They may have something great, but it may take four years," he says. "It may not ever be one-tenth the cost -- but what if it were half the cost? That'd still be great."

Anderson says plenty of people, from university researchers to companies like DuPont, are working on better ways to produce titanium. He hopes to visit MIT this summer to look at Sadoway's process and see how well it works.

Comments

  • Read British Titanium's Site re Electrolysis
    Did your titanium researchers take a look at this site?

      http://www.britishtitanium.co.uk/loader.html


    British Titanium is a company formed to exploit the FCC titanium electrolytic production process, invented in 1997. Bti has had their pilot plant going very successfully.
    From reading their above web-site, it seems their electrolysis process is much simpler than MIT's, and uses less energy.

    I would strongly urge that you read their site before you come to any conclusions as to which is the most cost-effective process. It may
    be MIT's, but it may also be Bti's, or yet another's.

    Sincerely,


    Hal Ade
    Gatineau, QC.
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    Guest (Hal Ade)
    06/07/2006
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    • metalysis
      see also www.metalysis.com, which has the real technology behind British Titanium's claims.
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      Guest (richard)
      06/08/2006
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      • Metalysis
        As I suggested in my comment on the Solar suggestion after checking out the Metalysis site, if the technology can be exploited on a localized level, let’s do it. With this I add my now well known lines:
        Each day as we walk the byways and flash along the highways of light,
        there are those who are left standing, as the march to flight
        goes by some to stop and wonder at the enormous potential at what
        has been created.
        But others who are left, standing in a rut at the side of the road,
        a rut too soon to become an abyss.

        So Then? What to do?

        Have said before, too many times to count, yet shall say again, as often as need be,
        until there is clarity in the air:

        The time has come to put a fence at the top of the cliff, instead of a net at the bottom:
        Thus giving a chance to build a bridge over the abyss.


        http://abota.blogsource.com
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        Guest (Martin G. Smith)
        06/09/2006
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  • cleaner smelting with solar?
    The need for heat and  electricity makes titanium smelting a great candidate for solar power.  Concentrating, non-imaging reflectors can produce temps up to 6,000 degrees C, well above the 1,700 degrees needed for titanium, with enough left to generatee electricity for the electrolysis step.  Added benefit:  intermittency is not an issue.   Just make titanium while the sun shines.
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    Guest (Mark Shapiro)
    06/07/2006
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    • titanium Production is a 24/7 proposition
      Solar is not viable for titanium production because it's a 24/7 proposition - to do otherwise is to loose efficiency and a whole lot of energy wasted cooling off and restarting when the sun goes behind a cloud or sets.  Non-base load dependent applications are better suited to solar.
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      Guest (George Wilcox)
      06/07/2006
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      • Cooment to Titanium Production is a 24/7 ...
        Keep in mind that combined with batteries, you can charge the batteries with excess electricity at daylight (sunlight  passes through clouds, too!), and use the batteries at night to run the electrolysis. In order to run an electrolysis like this with a molten electrolyte at elevated temperature, you have to run it continously. However, I hope there are better ways to get your electricity!
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        Guest (Dr. OAL)
        07/14/2006
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    • but what about consistancy?
      how well would you acctualy be able to controle that tempreture?

      would you be able to keep it from changing to much. im not meatlurgy expert but i would thing that having a heat level that constantly is changing might ruin the overall purity of the product metal
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      Guest (bob)
      06/07/2006
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    • cleaner smelting with solar
      Mark makes a good point. How’s this for an image, a group of solar smelters on a Black Sand beach ably tended by a group of itinerant surfers who cut the melt between sets. On a serious note however, the solar notion makes possible the rendering of Titanium in marginal circumstances possible. Hey Fab Lab folk, are you listening. This is an area I would like to explore if anyone is interested.
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      Guest (Martin G. Smith)
      06/07/2006
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    • Titanium ssmelting with solar heat
      This is not possible technically nor economically!
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      Guest (Dr. OAL)
      07/14/2006
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      • This is not possible technically nor economically!
        Tell that to the Paul Sherrer Institue [http://solar.web.psi.ch/data/facilities/?tasc], They just did it!!
        Did Somebody forget to tell you, 'Not Possible' is no longer in use.
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        Guest (Martin G. Smith)
        08/12/2006
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  • The Best Solution
    I live in Niagara Falls so guess what type of power I am going to suggest.  If you use Hydro to make the titanium using chemical plants already here in Western New York that produce lighter transport vehicles, that save millions of dollars in Petro you have a win, win solution without the problems of wind.
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    Guest (Guy Zaczek)
    06/13/2006
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    • A solution, The Best??
      While there is plenty of power in New York, I haven’t found any Rutile there. I suggest a better alternative is to take the processor to the mineral [http://www.mindat.org/min-3486.html] and use solar energy [http://solar.web.psi.ch/data/facilities/?mcdd] for the processing. The reality is if you look at where the base mineral is located in the world there is economy to be gained by processing on site, returning the ‘slag’ to the site for reclamation, then shipping the base metal for further processing in existing plants. I contend a Solar processing facility could be built into three [3] 40’ shipping containers, a whole lot more functional than moving massive amounts of raw materials with all the infrastructure this involves.
      martin@redseven.ca
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      Guest (Martin G. Smith)
      06/14/2006
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  • Titanium
    A very small kiwi company (Titanox Ltd) has been making low oxygen (<0.5%) TiAl and Ti3Al powder for several years.  The process uses high energy milling  of TiO2 (any phase) with aluminium (no purity requirement) and subsequent thermal reduction and hydrometallurgical separation.  They have even gone on to demonstrate the production of pure titanium metal.
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    martyn newby
    09/12/2006
    Posts:1

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