In the flap over a misleading biography on Wikipedia, many seem to have forgotten what the site is all about.
Retired journalist John Siegenthaler, 78, ripped into the user-generated reference site Wikipedia in a USA Today commentary on November 29. Siegenthaler was understandably angry over a biographical entry at Wikipedia, posted in May by an anonymous contributor, that implied he was involved in the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.
In fact, Siegenthaler was Kennedy's administrative assistant in the early 1960s, and was among his pallbearers. The misleading article stood uncorrected on Wikipedia from May 26 to October 5, when editors removed it at Siegenthaler's request.
In the USA Today piece, Siegenthaler expressed frustration that federal law prevented him from suing Wikipedia for libel. He attacked Wikipedia's 14,000 contributors as gossip hounds and "volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects."
Naturally, the piece provoked a flurry of coverage in the mainstream media, much of it lambasting Wikipedia for its supposed lack of quality controls. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales acknowledged that there's little to prevent malicious individuals from publishing false information on the site, but emphasized that the Wikipedia community is generally self-policing, with squads of Wikipedians standing ready at all times to vet changes.
But that didn't quiet the criticism. On December 5, Wales buckled under, saying he would require all Wikipedia contributors to register and log in before posting. The extra step, he said, should help to discourage "impulse" vandals.
The fake biography of Siegenthaler obviously eluded Wikipedia's community controls. So do many other articles, at least for a time. But to me, that's no reason to condemn the concept of a citizens' encyclopedia, or to start down the slippery slope of restricting access to Wikipedia's publishing function.
What's puzzling about the whole brouhaha is this: Rather than railing at Wikipedia in general, why didn't Siegenthaler simply revise the objectionable entry and leave it at that? Indeed, the whole point of Wikipedia is that anyone can publish and anyone can edit. If you find an error, fix it. If you think you can write a better article, pull out your pen.
Of course, the flip side of the enormous flexibility provided by the Wiki format is that "anyone" includes people who are driven by motivations other than community spirit. But vandalism, malice, racism, spam, and the like can be kept to a minimum, as long as there are more good guys than bad guys. This is obviously happening at Wikipedia, or no one would be using it.
In subsequent USA Today coverage of the controversy, Paul Saffo of the Institute for the Future in Palo Alto, CA, said he thought Siegenthaler was "overreacting" to the false biography. "He should have just changed it," Saffo told the paper. "And he should've gotten his friends to help him watch it and every time it was changed, to change it back to what was correct. He clearly doesn't understand the culture of Wikipedia."
I'm starting to think that few of us really do. We're accustomed to thinking of public pronouncements, whether in print or on radio or television, as permanent and irretrievable. Once something libelous, dematory, or scurrilous has been said or written, it cannot be unsaid or unwritten, and the only remedy is to sue for damages. But with Wiki-based media, this isn't the case. With a few mouse clicks, the victim of a false or offensive statement on Wikipedia can erase that statement, instantly and everywhere. (At least until it reappears. "Revert wars," duels in which writers continually rewrite each others' articles, are an unseemly but inevitable and probably healthy occurrence at Wikipedia.)
The community-editing model gives us a newfound power to create wrongs -- but also to reverse wrongs. Let's not start restricting this power before we even understand it.
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On another front: We've closely followed the NTP-RIM lawsuit of late, and weighed the impact that a shutdown of the BlackBerry network would have on users. Chris Sinrod has a nice commentary today over at CNET's News.com, confessing that he's a CrackBerry addict that predicting that if the suit isn't settled soon, RIM may see an "exodus" of customers to other wireless gadget-makers such as Palm.
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His action at least made a change to one of the weaknesses of Wikipedia and I think that has made Wikipedia stronger for it. Defaming people by lies is not progressive in our society and is in fact unethical.
I think Wales has taken a constructive step and I think we are the better for it.
12/07/2005
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His action at least made a change to one of the weaknesses of Wikipedia and I think that has made Wikipedia stronger for it. Defaming people by lies is not progressive in our society and is in fact unethical.
I think Wales has taken a constructive step and I think we are the better for it.
12/07/2005
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If you could convice me that most Internet users are critical readers maybe this wouldnt be such an issue. Until then, I dont think asking someone to take responsibility for their public comments is such a bad thing.
12/09/2005
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Apparently, even Wikipedia is subject to an error. If Wikipedia is equal to (or better) than Dan Rather, we can all sleep at night. The world is safe yet.
12/10/2005
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Death to the Wiki Admins !!
12/10/2005
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12/12/2005
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Wikipedia volunteers get involved quickly when a revert war happens - and Siegenthaler would have quickly prevailed. But he didnt even try that. Instead he undertook a far more strenous and unnecessary path.
Clearly Siegenthaler is not primarily concerned with his reputation here, he has another agenda.
12/18/2005
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If you could convice me that most Internet users are critical readers maybe this wouldnt be such an issue. Until then, I dont think asking someone to take responsibility for their public comments is such a bad thing.
12/09/2005
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Apparently, even Wikipedia is subject to an error. If Wikipedia is equal to (or better) than Dan Rather, we can all sleep at night. The world is safe yet.
12/10/2005
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Death to the Wiki Admins !!
12/10/2005
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12/12/2005
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Wikipedia volunteers get involved quickly when a revert war happens - and Siegenthaler would have quickly prevailed. But he didnt even try that. Instead he undertook a far more strenous and unnecessary path.
Clearly Siegenthaler is not primarily concerned with his reputation here, he has another agenda.
12/18/2005
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12/08/2005
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If you want to guage Wikis power, see how quikly it becomes the dominant authority.
12/08/2005
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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html
12/16/2005
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If you want to guage Wikis power, see how quikly it becomes the dominant authority.
12/08/2005
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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html
12/16/2005
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12/09/2005
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His point never was about removing content from the Wikipedia, but about the way the false accusations had comfortably sat there for over four months.
12/09/2005
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His point never was about removing content from the Wikipedia, but about the way the false accusations had comfortably sat there for over four months.
12/09/2005
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Yes, Mr. Siegenthaler overreacted but he has every right. The only problem is his overreaction should be directed at the unidentified (and may be unidentifiable) person who wrote the original fake biography. It would have been nice if Mr. Siegenthaler realized that these things happen in our society (just like the man with bipolar disease was fatally shot at Miami Airport).
I think Wikipedia is wonderful for the most part.
But why not require everybody who wants to post, publish or edit.
It may slow down things a little but what is the hurry?
S. Rao Ponamgi
12/09/2005
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12/09/2005
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12/09/2005
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Foxfire or Explorer).
12/09/2005
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12/09/2005
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12/09/2005
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12/12/2005
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There is a solution. Its called Peer Review.
12/12/2005
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12/12/2005
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Baron, who checks the facts you listen to every day?
12/14/2005
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More control is needed if they are ever to be looked at as a source of reliable knowledge.
12/17/2005
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{smile} BOKE / www.boke.com
12/09/2005
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12/12/2005
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There is a solution. Its called Peer Review.
12/12/2005
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12/12/2005
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Baron, who checks the facts you listen to every day?
12/14/2005
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More control is needed if they are ever to be looked at as a source of reliable knowledge.
12/17/2005
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http://alex.halavais.net/news/index.php?p=794
12/16/2005
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12/19/2005
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12/19/2005
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In my case, I tried to chage the article back to show correct data, but it was changed back & a tug-of-war just got out of control! No proof of facts was required! Those screaming the loudest get to win!
Some mediation!
Please take a look at the talk page on Shiloh Shepherd Dog!
12/17/2005
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12/18/2005
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I think they do. Wikipedia is democratic. The old order had gatekeepers/editors (like Siegenthaler) who would be undercut by a new more democratic media.
I dont find Siegenthalers criticisms credible. He could have just edited the bio himself. Siegenthaler is a smart guy, trust me. He knows all about the "anyone can edit" aspect of Wikis. He just doesnt like the concept - to democratic for him.
Wikipedia is a classic in the sense of a disrupting technology. The old order is not going to like it and will fight it.
12/18/2005
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I think they do. Wikipedia is democratic. The old order had gatekeepers/editors (like Siegenthaler) who would be undercut by a new more democratic media.
I dont find Siegenthalers criticisms credible. He could have just edited the bio himself. Siegenthaler is a smart guy, trust me. He knows all about the "anyone can edit" aspect of Wikis. He just doesnt like the concept - to democratic for him.
Wikipedia is a classic in the sense of a disrupting technology. The old order is not going to like it and will fight it.
12/18/2005
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How about I claim on Wiki that you are a suspected child molester and were questioned for abusing your children? Would that piss you off like that old dude?
Im sure taht there must be something that will tick you off if it was associated with your name and THEN you would hit the fan.
But as long as it happens to someone else, its not as important.
12/30/2005
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His action at least made a change to one of the weaknesses of Wikipedia and I think that has made Wikipedia stronger for it. Defaming people by lies is not progressive in our society and is in fact unethical.
I think Wales has taken a constructive step and I think we are the better for it.
12/07/2005
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12/08/2005
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12/09/2005
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Yes, Mr. Siegenthaler overreacted but he has every right. The only problem is his overreaction should be directed at the unidentified (and may be unidentifiable) person who wrote the original fake biography. It would have been nice if Mr. Siegenthaler realized that these things happen in our society (just like the man with bipolar disease was fatally shot at Miami Airport).
I think Wikipedia is wonderful for the most part.
But why not require everybody who wants to post, publish or edit.
It may slow down things a little but what is the hurry?
S. Rao Ponamgi
12/09/2005
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http://alex.halavais.net/news/index.php?p=794
12/16/2005
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In my case, I tried to chage the article back to show correct data, but it was changed back & a tug-of-war just got out of control! No proof of facts was required! Those screaming the loudest get to win!
Some mediation!
Please take a look at the talk page on Shiloh Shepherd Dog!
12/17/2005
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12/18/2005
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How about I claim on Wiki that you are a suspected child molester and were questioned for abusing your children? Would that piss you off like that old dude?
Im sure taht there must be something that will tick you off if it was associated with your name and THEN you would hit the fan.
But as long as it happens to someone else, its not as important.
12/30/2005
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