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High-Speed Rail Chugs On

The Obama administration announces $8 billion in awards for various corridor projects.

Kevin Bullis 01/29/2010

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On Thursday the Obama administration announced awards for its high-speed rail program, started under last year's stimulus bill, and $8 billion will be distributed among nine "major corridor" projects.

These corridors are meant to connect major cities in various regions. They won't offer cross-country trips, and that makes sense--for longer trips, air travel will probably be more appealing. It's not clear, however, that high-speed rail will catch on across a country whose infrastructure is heavily geared toward cars. What will people do once they step off the train in Los Angeles? Maybe some fearless entrepreneur will set up an electric car rental service at the station.

Of course, $8 billion scattered among all these projects won't be enough to get the lines built. It'd be sad if the money to finish them doesn't come through and twenty years from now we've got no more to show for the investment than some dead-end high speed rail tracks overgrown with weeds.

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Matthew Putman

37 Comments

  • 745 Days Ago
  • 01/29/2010

hope

I have great hope for this, both as an old fashioned work stimulus, and for travel. I live in Paris, and travel many places by train. It is a joy of being in Europe. I hope the same for the States.

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BernphiGui

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  • 02/01/2010

Re: hope

As an unfortunate frequent user of high speed trains, I do not share this optimistic vision. High-speed trains (TGV or ICE) are extremely costly to develop and to operate. High-speed train railroads cost much more per kilometre than a 6-lane highway.  The European states have poured billions of money in high-speed trains and no money is left anymore for transporting shuttle users in descent conditions. In addition, high-speed trains show a very poor level of reliability not only in the winter but also in the summer (no air co, machines break down, etc). Remember also that no high-speed train runs at night because the railroads have to be maintained and overhauled at night; additional costs of operations.

Instead of pouring billions in prestigious TGV / ICE projects, the US and the European states should better invest in improving existing services and rail-tracks. Train running at 160-180km/h existed in France and in Germany since more than 50 years providing fast and reliable transport a at reasonable cost. Increasing the speed from 100km/h to 180km/h on a 200km track would cost between 1 and 2 billion Euro instead of 35 billions. Taking into account that a high-speed train needs 20km before reaching its cruise speed and again 20km for a comfortable stop, for most of the trips, 160-180km/h max speed with no intermediate stop would satisfy all passengers.

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snedunuri

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

"What will people do once they step off the train in Los Angeles?"
Why not the same thing they do when they step out of LAX? Car rental, taxi, meet a friend, take a bus, etc. If anything its easier, since car rental companies can use their in-town locations to serve the rail stations.

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Mapou

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

Soon to Be Obsolete

Superfast bullet trains are really cool but there are good reasons to believe that this will be money wasted. It’s not because the technology is not there or that the benefits would not be substantial given current state of the art but because almost every known form of transportation and energy generation will be obsolete in the not too distant future.

A new analysis of the causality of motion leads to the conclusion that we are immersed in energy, lots and lots of it. Normal matter moves in an immense, crystal-like lattice of energetic particles without which neither gravity, nor electromagnetism, nor even motion would be possible. Soon we’ll use this knowledge to build vehicles that can move at enormous speeds and negotiate right angle turns without slowing down and without incurring damage due to inertial effects. Floating sky cities impervious to earthquakes, tsunamis and bad weather, New York to Beijing in minutes, Earth to Mars in hours; that’s the future of energy and travel.

Physics: The Problem With Motion

PS. Don't say nobody told you because I just did.

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JPAdamsjr

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

Hope? No, Logic.

@ BernphiGui: Your blog is not completely accurate; high speed trains DO run at night. Having lived in Europe for eight years, I should know this. Maintenance is strategically scheduled. For the U.S. to invest in existing services would be a waste of money. AMTRAK's (along w/ others) existing infrastructure doesn't meet the demanding needs of today's business and leisure travel and upgrading tracks and trains will cost just as much as starting from scratch. I agree & will be supporting President Obama's plan to restructure transportation in America.

@Mapou: Your stated theories are sound, but obviously not for our lifetimes or even the next couple centuries. In the meantime, it would do America some good to spend money on things you & I or at least our offspring could utilize before the world completely goes "Star Trek".

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CKM

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

Another Way

Put the high speed rail in the Interstate Highway medial strips.  Put it above ground suppoted by pillars. That would put it above cross roads and weather related problems.

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eberg

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

What's in it for me?

I fly from Los Angeles to the Bay area twice a month. What is the advantage of paying more and taking an extra hour+ to take a train vs. taking a plane? Security is not an arguement, I get from the curb to the gate in 10-30 minutes (max). Trains will eventually have security issues as well. If one trys to argue that the train can get me closer to my destination, all those stops totally kill the "high speed" aspect.
The environmental costs alone for such a project doom it to failure. This is nothing but another politiacal boondogle. Those spending this money now will never be held accountable, as they will be dead before any such project could ever be completed.

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Thucydides

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  • 742 Days Ago
  • 02/01/2010

High-Speed Rail Chugs On

The power of political rent seekers never ceases to amaze me.

US rail used to travel at much higher speeds than today on a routine basis, oddly that was when passenger rail was owned and operated by private companies interested in competing for business. Of course, you can't compete against systems subsidized by Uncle Sam, and rail deteriorated to the mediocre Government run system we see today. Canada went the same route and has many of the same issues (including periodic calls for governments to subsidize high speed rail corridors). If high speed rail made sense, then some private entity would be more than willing to raise the capital to create it.

Rail travel <i>might</i> be viable again if it is privatized and put on the same level playing field as road and air transport (so no more tax breaks, subsidies or pork barral "stimulus"), but given the low population density of the United States, I suspect rail fill a niche service rather than a main transportation artery for passengers.

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