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Plenty of Time to Deal with Nuclear Waste?

Temporary storage is good enough for now, a panel says.

Kevin Bullis 05/18/2009

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A panel of nuclear-power experts may have inadvertently talked a key senator out of pushing for fast action on nuclear waste. On Monday, its members agreed that the United States has plenty of time to sort out good alternatives to storing waste at Yucca Mountain now that the Obama administration wants to take that potential repository off the table. A much more urgent issue, the experts said, is pushing forward the permitting and construction of new nuclear-power plants.

The panel, which took place at MIT, was moderated by Tom Carper, the United States senator from Delaware who is the chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety. The experts were from MIT and Harvard. They said that the current approach used to store nuclear waste at nuclear-power plants is safe and will be for decades, giving researchers and policy makers plenty of time to conduct research into new nuclear-reactor designs and new sites and methods for storing nuclear waste. "We don't need to rush," said Matthew Bunn, professor of public policy at Harvard University.

That might not be the best thing to tell a senator if you want funding. Near the conclusion of the discussion, Carper said that Congress has trouble taking action unless there is a crisis, and "when we talk about timelines that might go out 80 to 90 years, that's not a real crisis." He added that "the amount of time you allot to do a job is the amount of time you'll take to do a job . . . That may apply here as well."

The panelists do want funding, on the order of $500 million a year for nuclear-energy research, according to Ernest Moniz, a professor of physics at MIT. The research would need to include developing better reactor designs. For example, it's possible to reprocess nuclear waste to extract useful nuclear fuel, but according to the panel, the technology used to do this now is too expensive, could contribute to the spread of materials for nuclear weapons, and doesn't do much to reduce waste. In the future, better reactor designs could get 50 times as much energy from a pound of uranium as conventional nuclear plants get from a pound of uranium, and they could turn a nuclear waste dump into a source of fuel. "We do not know today if spent fuel is ultimately a waste, or is the nation's most important long-term energy resource," said Charles Forsberg, executive director of the Fuel Cycle Study at MIT.

But that's the potential future. "With the technologies that exist today, I believe it would be a costly mistake to move forward in deploying these types of reprocessing and recycling technologies," Bunn said.

Indeed, requiring reprocessing could be a major setback to the nuclear industry, which is starting to move toward building more plants after a decades-long hiatus. What's most important now is to get these first new plants built, mostly because of their potential to supply power without carbon dioxide emissions, Moniz said. "A move to reprocessing now is both unnecessary and in fact likely to be a major impediment towards that goal," he said.

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killian

74 Comments

  • 1002 Days Ago
  • 05/18/2009

Garrett Hardin's take

Way back in 1976 Garrett Hardin wrote in his essay, Is Civilization Ready for Nuclear Power?:
"Is this prudent? What would we say if a man jumped off the World Trade Building with a bag of hardware in the hope that he would figure out a way to build a parachute on the way down?"
The quote came to mind when I read the Kevin's article title.

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NuclearHydrocarbons

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  • 1002 Days Ago
  • 05/18/2009

Waste heat

According to a U.S. Department of Energy report, the initial heat produced by U.S. nuclear waste will be on the order of 30 to 50 times the heat flux in the Geysers geothermal reservoir in California. This is the equivalent output of 50 operational reactors. Venting this heat to the atmosphere contributes in its own right to heating up the atmosphere.

The more logical solution is to use this heat to pyrolyze U.S. oil shale as was suggested recently in comments to the Technology Review "A Cheaper Way to Draw Oil from Shale" article. Or an even better return would be accomplished using this energy to flow viscous bitumen of Alberta's oil sands to a producing well.

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gprao

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  • 1001 Days Ago
  • 05/19/2009

Nuclear Hedging?

In the context of the CERN experiments and progress on the Tokomak reactor project, I extrapolate the tone of the article to presume that a certain innovative nuclear recycling waste technology is being delayed, perhaps for a few decades. Can't have 'Nextgen' innovative technology uproot the 'social/political order of technological penetration and obsolescence', can we? No, it'd slow down the greening of icy continent!

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B Mused

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  • 1001 Days Ago
  • 05/19/2009

Follow the Money

Those who say "we have plenty of time" to let the spent fuel remain where it is at 72 locations in the U.S. seem to not acknowledge that the federal government has been found in breach of its contract with utilities which own the fuel and who have PAID FOR IT TO BE REMOVED. Federal courts are slowly trudging through individual damage determinations and the liability for that failure to remove the waste will continue until it happens or the parties reach some settlement. The last government estimate of liability--when we thought there might be a repository open in 2020-- was $11 billion.
Oh, and BTW, the utilities are continuing to pay for waste disposal and this Administration now has no plan for that to occur.

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garysoaring

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  • 1001 Days Ago
  • 05/19/2009

Use The Waste!

IN TR:10 you published the paper by John Gilleland on the idea of "Traveling Wave Reactors" that use nuclear waste to generate energy.  How about this approach?  Why not finance the remaining efforts to commercialize this by 2020?  Apparently this technology only requires one fuel load per century, and it converts nuclear waste to fissile material necessary for energy production!

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honzik

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  • 1001 Days Ago
  • 05/19/2009

TMSR

I think a particularly good solution to the nuclear waste problem has been suggested by French researchers. This would burn the transuranic waste taken from spent fuel rods in a Thorium Molten Salt Reactor. The fast/epithermal neutron spectrum of this reactor allows for a significant reduction of the waste, while producing electricity and breeding fissile material from the Thorium.

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lasertekk

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  • 05/19/2009

Let our grandchildren worry about our mess.

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davelv

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  • 05/19/2009

There is NOT plenty of time!

Consider:

1) For each year Yucca Mountain doesn't open, the American taxpayers are paying $500+ million in penalties to utilities.  This will continue until either Yucca or another facility opens.  Goodbye to your 500 million for nuclear research - it is already being spent.
2) Washington, Idaho, New York and South Carolina as well as other states have defense nuclear waste that can not be reprocessed.  A lot of it is already glassified.  These states have legal agreements with the Federal Government for its removal - not 30 or 40 years from now.
3) Over 100 surface waste sites are easy targets for terrorist acts.  Who will pay for damage when one occurs -MIT professors?
4) Reprocessing is not economical, never will be until oil hits $200+/barrel and produces tremendous amounts of liquid wastes and gaseous releases.

The nation has a solution for a monitored retrievable storage facility and for purely political payback, Obama is delaying the completion of the repository.  To have MIT participating and supporting this is unbelievable!

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James Aach

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  • 999 Days Ago
  • 05/21/2009

Understand nuclear's present

I think it is a good idea for those interested in nuclear energy's future to first understand nuclear energy's present.  It is hard for the public to do so.  I've worked in the atomic biz over twenty years and have written an entertaining account which is available free with no advertising on the net.  [No $$ for me]   Stewart Brand, author of Environmental  Heresies in an earlier MIT Technology Review was kind enough to say "I'd like to see Rad Decision widely read."  http://RadDecision.blogspot.com

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Adrian Zolkover

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  • 998 Days Ago
  • 05/22/2009

WHO ME WORRY?

What if terrorists used crude nuclear devices to vaporize and spread the approximately 120 Chernobyl's worth of cesium 137 at each U.S. nuclear plant? Cesium 137 has a 1/2 life of 30 years. What about considering that winds generally blow from west to east. Wouldn't it appear logical to locate the nuclear waste as close to the Atlantic Ocean as possible, ASAP, so that the radiation would, in general, blow over the Atlantic instead of taking out the United States?

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sketerpot

4 Comments

  • 987 Days Ago
  • 06/02/2009

Re: WHO ME WORRY?

If you have hundreds of nuclear devices and the means to deliver them anywhere in the US, you can get plenty of devastation by putting them in cities. Should we abolish cities?

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Adrian Zolkover

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  • 982 Days Ago
  • 06/07/2009

Re: WHO ME WORRY?

To my knowledge, the most recent DOE standard of protection at the nuclear plants guards against 3 people outside and one person inside the plant who are armed with conventional weapons. It does not include protection against more than that. At some nuclear plants there may be a 10 mile no-fly zone that I think would be ineffective in protecting against terrorism.  The danger I'm referring to is in the nuclear waste fuel rods' ponds, or adjacent buildings that house waste nuclear fuel rods. I'm not considering the dangers at the nuclear plants themselves. I think the dangers there are more contained than in the many years of collected nuclear waste fuel rods; with an aggregate of well over 70,000 tons of them. My knowledge of nuclear weapons is rather minimal; however I have been told that a crude nuclear weapon could vaporize this tremendous amount of long lasting radiation - which would give much less sophisticated terrorists the ability to do tremendous long-lived damage emanating from about 130 nuclear power plants which each contain over 120 Chernobyl's worth of 30 year half life ceisum 137. BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS has many excellent articles on this subject; some written years ago but still available on the internet. On CNN's program "In Bin Laden's Footsteps" when it was first presented, it mentioned Bin Laden expressing the plan to attack U.S. nuclear plants; he then said the Koran teaches to warn your enemies first and give them a chance to adopt a Muslim way of thinking; so he set aside his initial plan. I think it is most dangerous to assume terrorists are not aware of this vulnerability. Driving cars is great if there are enforced adequate laws and standards of performance for cars and drivers. I'm not suggesting, as you mention, we not have cities. I'm just suggesting we not be negligent to a criminal extent by not protecting our cities by moving the nuclear waste fuel rods as close as possible to the Atlantic Ocean, so that if terrorists did bomb them and vaporize them, the radiation would principally blow over the Atlantic Ocean instead of taking out the United States. From what I know, this appears most reasonable.

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theroyprocess

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  • 996 Days Ago
  • 05/24/2009

Backwards Engineer Nuclear Waste & Create Electricity

letter to the Editor,

Albert Einstein once said, "Nuclear power
is one hell of a way to boil water".

That's right! It is the heat of making
plutonium 239 for atom bombs...that boils
the water and makes steam which turns
electric turbines.

Nuclear power fulfills many agendas. It
creates the BIG STICK of political might
and a grab for tax payers money. It creates
epidemics and birth defects world wide!
No one is immune.

Radiation, natural or man-made, will sicken
and kill everyone. It is invisible and illegal
under the Geneva Convention laws.

I remember a TV show titled "Traffic Court".
The Judge would say, 'you knew or should
have known' speeding is illegal...Guilty!
The DOE ,'knew or should have known'
nothing will contain nuclear waste and already
leaked into the ground waters at Hanford
in the first 63 years of the atomic age.

Everyone eats, drinks and breaths nuclear
waste everyday since 1945. We should not
add more to our body burden by using
this long-lasting lethal pollution.
--------
Youtube Video - The Roy Process

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v7030VAeLA&feature=related>

<http://members.cox.net/theroyprocess/>

<http://www.chernobyl20film.com>

<http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl>

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sketerpot

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  • 987 Days Ago
  • 06/02/2009

Re: Backwards Engineer Nuclear Waste & Create Electricity

Nuclear waste is solid and fairly chemically stable. Radiation, while invisible, is easy to measure very precisely. You get orders of magnitude more radiation from the natural environment than from any man-made source (unless you get X-rays on a regular basis or something).

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