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The Big Losers in Energy

Several people holding the purse-strings agree that algae, hydrogen vehicles, and carbon capture and storage won't make money.

Kevin Bullis 09/24/2009

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There wasn't much consensus about the most promising energy technologies, but everyone at a panel on the future of energy at the EmTech conference at MIT this morning seemed to agree that three energy-related technologies won't make money, at least not in the current economic and regulatory environment.

Heading the list of losers is photosynthetic algae--technology that would use algae to convert sunlight into fuel. Jim Matheson, a general partner at Flagship Ventures, said "we just don't believe the economics." Although the venture capital firm invests heavily in bio-energy technology, "we just haven't gotten very comfortable that algae is going to come down the cost curve."

BP also doesn't like photosynthetic algae. "We don't think that [technology] will ever reach the kind of cost or supply that we think people are prepared to pay," said David Eyton, the head of research and technology at BP. His statement was a direct challenge to a main BP competitor, Exxon-Mobil, which recently announced an investment of $600 million in photosynthetic algae.

Eyton noted that BP is investing in algae--just not the photosynthetic kind. Some companies are developing technology that use algae to convert sugar, instead of sunlight, into fuel and other products. That's easier to scale up, since the algae can be far more concentrated.

Hydrogen, at least for vehicles, was also panned. That's perhaps not surprising given Energy Secretary Steven Chu's recent comments about hydrogen. Then again, the car companies have been clamoring for continued investment in it. Uma Chowdry, senior vice president and chief science and technology officer at DuPont said the company had killed its research on hydrogen storage "because it's very far away." Eyton said BP had also killed its investment in hydrogen for transportation.

And finally, technology for capturing and storing carbon dioxide doesn't look promising. The technology could be key to reducing carbon emissions, but Chowdry said, "We can't figure out how we're going to make money at it." Eyton noted that "it's tough to make it work, when nobody's putting a price on it."

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kangeloux

3 Comments

  • 866 Days Ago
  • 09/24/2009

Any data on Jathropha Curcas?

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jesup

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  • 865 Days Ago
  • 09/25/2009

Re: Any data on Jathropha Curcas?

Turns out it isn't as good as hoped - takes too much water, too low yield if not grown in good (arable land) conditions.

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nanogarden

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  • 865 Days Ago
  • 09/25/2009

Why is it that Price becomes the #1 factor when you need something done now

I for one would like to know what exactly are the experts and investors looking for in a profitable TOTALLY NEW energy or environmental technology. I mean do they really know what is profitable when no one has clean air to breath, or when petroleum finally stops flowing at the rate it is now. Give me a break, when their gas powered cars and SUV's break down, I'll wave as I pass them by with my fuel cell car covered in solar panels.

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SirLanse

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  • 865 Days Ago
  • 09/25/2009

Re: Why is it that Price becomes the #1 factor when you need something done now

Perhaps your grand children or great grand children will have a solar powered vehicle that can pass a stone.  Until then, price matters.
If you have a few hundred million OF YOUR OWN, go ahead and spend it on whatever unprofitable plan you want.  Until then, PROFIT IS GOOD!
Grow a brain!
If it is not profitable, it CANNNOT be sustained.
We have not stayed at the moon.  We have not continued to make nuclear weapons.
We have to find a way to convert sunlight into a storable, refillable power source.
Trade is the lifeblood of civilization.
Travel is essential to trade.
Refillable fuel is essential to travel.

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Daretodiff

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  • 862 Days Ago
  • 09/28/2009

Re: Why is it that Price becomes the #1 factor when you need something done now

  Hello, its simple the reason is at least 100 years old. The big ones do not want us to be able to get access to easy low cost energy. If you go through the patent history and who bought them then YOU know.          Im sorry but this is how it looks to me.

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Garthh

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  • 862 Days Ago
  • 09/28/2009

Re: Why is it that Price becomes the #1 factor when you need something done now

Sounds like a conspiracy!
Please expand & provide actual data
I have trouble believing a conspiracy that would suppress a source of potential profit....

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ncm

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  • 839 Days Ago
  • 10/21/2009

Re: Why is it that Price becomes the #1 factor when you need something done now

Repeat after me: It's only a conspiracy if it's against the law. 

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jlmose

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  • 842 Days Ago
  • 10/18/2009

Opinions are like...

So three people at a conference think that photosynthetic algae, hydrogen and carbon capture are "losers". Now, if this were my job, I think I would call up three people who might have different opinions, say, execs, scientists or engineers who work in algae biofuels, hydrogen or carbon capture, and ask them what they think. But that would just be me...

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ronwagn

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  • 841 Days Ago
  • 10/19/2009

Natural Gas and Biogas

Natural gas finds and biogas successes have changed the energy picture. It will be more difficult for all other fuels and technologies to compete with low natural gas prices. Natural gas has ended any thoughts of an energy crisis. Turns out the only energy crisis was due to manipulation. Natural gas is clean and cheap. Existing vehicles can be converted to run off of it.

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ncm

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  • 839 Days Ago
  • 10/21/2009

Re: Natural Gas and Biogas

Burning natural gas releases just as much carbon as other fossil fuels.  Nowadays we know that is not compatible with "clean".

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professorfiggen

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  • 543 Days Ago
  • 08/13/2010

wind power

Please do not fall into the trap of thinking that wind power is 100% clean energy.  Every watt of energy taken out of the wind inevitably slows that wind down, and as we know, nature always is right in the end.  As you slow the wind down, you reduce the rainfall downwind and increase it around the windfarm.
Man has an unbroken record of always doing the wrong thing, and yet we always seem to think that finally we know everything.  And yet in 2015 we will realise all the errors we made in 2010.  look at the research done on wind loss around wind farms or, even simpler, carefully watch a windfarm if and when the wind is blowing along the line (rather than across it).  You will clearly see that each mill turns slightly slower than its upwind neighbour.  Get active, do something before it's too late.  the wind power lobbys, as in all such cases, have their own research and counter arguments hard at work, but don't be fooled by wolves in green clothing!
Professor Mike Figgen, Paris

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ippisl

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  • 477 Days Ago
  • 10/18/2010

regarding hydrogen

Asemblon has an hydrogen solution for the trucking industry that looks practical.

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Asemblon, advised by University of Washington bioengineering professor Buddy Ratner, is commercializing a family of organic carrier molecules that can release hydrogen on demand. This is supposed to make hydrogen practical as a liquid fuel by enabling it to be stored at room temperature, and without high pressure, so people could carry it around in containers or ship it on pipelines or trucks like gasoline. In theory, this should solve some of the major barriers to the adoption of hydrogen as a fuel, by eliminating huge infrastructure investments needed for high-pressure tanks, expensive new hydrogen filling stations, and costly transportation in a cold, liquid form. The Asemblon technique is supposed to yield hydrogen fuel at one-tenth the cost of the usual pressurized form."

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