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Lawsuits Filed over PC Boot Time

Some employees want to be compensated for waiting for their computers to start.

Kate Greene 11/20/2008

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I would have posted this earlier, but I had to restart my computer.

From the National Law Journal article titled "Is Booting Up a Computer Work, or a Work Break? More Companies Fending Off Suits on the Issue," by Tresa Baldas:

Lawyers are noting a new type of lawsuit, in which employees are suing over time spent booting [up] their computers. ... During the past year, several companies, including AT&T Inc., UnitedHealth Group Inc. and Cigna Corp., have been hit with lawsuits in which employees claimed that they were not paid for the 15- to 30-minute task of booting their computers at the start of each day and logging out at the end. Add those minutes up over a week, and hourly employees are losing some serious pay, argues plaintiffs' lawyer Mark Thierman, a Las Vegas solo practitioner who has filed a handful of computer-booting lawsuits in recent years. ...

Management-side attorney Richard Rosenblatt, a partner in the Princeton, N.J., office of Morgan, Lewis & Bockius who is defending a half-dozen employers in computer-booting lawsuits ... believes that, in most cases, computer booting does not warrant being called work. Having spent time in call centers observing work behaviors, he said most employees boot the computer, then engage in nonwork activities. "They go have a smoke, talk to friends, get coffee--they're not working, and all they've done at that point is press a button to power up their computer, or enter in a key word," Rosenblatt said.

There are technical solutions to the long boot times, of course. A recent New York Times article notes that PC manufacturers are rolling out machines that give access to e-mail and Web browsers in less than 30 seconds while the rest of the machine wakes up. And we've written about a company, called Device VM, that released fast-booting software called Splashtop that helps get critical PC applications up and running in seconds.

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gabrielg01

450 Comments

  • 1181 Days Ago
  • 11/20/2008

Just curious...

...What kind of computer boots up in 30 minutes?...Oh wait, it's the lawyers again - they'll invent anything for a lawsuit.

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dmm

270 Comments

  • 1180 Days Ago
  • 11/21/2008

Re: Just curious...

The article says boot up AND boot down.  My work PC has lots of crud on it -- all kinds of antivirus, monitoring, networking, etc. -- and has to access at least 3 different servers.  It takes at least 10 minutes to fully boot up, and it is a very good PC.  Imagine a call center's junky PCs, booting up their bloated call-center software, accessing an overloaded server, etc.  So 30 minutes doesn't sound outrageous.

A person I know once worked for a call center with a cheap server that would emit a hum when it was overworked.  The data entry people were wise to this and would all rapidly hit Enter when they heard the hum.  This would crash the server and give them all a half-hour break (minimum) while the server was rebooted.  Management was clueless, as usual.

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Erica Naone

70 Comments

  • 1180 Days Ago
  • 11/21/2008

one way of framing the question

It's an interesting question. Seems to me that the two viewpoints are: 1) I have to spend more time at work than I am being paid for -- i.e., I must arrive 10 minutes early so that I can push that button and then wait; 2) you push that button and then go get coffee. Work starts when you start working.

So it seems that part of the debate is whether activities in preparation of work (allowing for the time it takes to push the button and start your computer) are your responsibility or the company's.

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z0rr0

99 Comments

  • 1177 Days Ago
  • 11/24/2008

Re: one way of framing the question

Of course, the economy might be re-framing the answer too. From "how can I get paid for doing nothing" to "at least I have a job"
(this does not seem to apply to banks getting bailed out)

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Bruceahz

38 Comments

  • 1177 Days Ago
  • 11/24/2008

Re: one way of framing the question

Most wage and hour laws are pretty clear about what a company has to pay for. I have to believe that hourly workers must be paid from the time they show up for their normally scheduled work hours. That the work environment is not ready for them to be productive is not their problem.

The logic that the boot-up time "isn't really work" would also have to apply any time during the day that a piece of equipment fails and employees have to wait until it is back up and running. I don't think any company has been successful trying to dock employees' pay during that type of "down time".

The fact that this down time occurs first thing in the morning is irrelevant and, as someone else has pointed out, the down-time is effectively "planned"; it happens every day because management doesn't want the computers left running all night. You can't make the worker pay for that management decision.

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dmm

270 Comments

  • 1180 Days Ago
  • 11/21/2008

Management's viewpoint is nonsense

If management is not willing to get to work early and turn on everyone's computer for them, then they have to pay the employees to do it.  If they don't like them getting coffee while the computer boots up, then assign them tasks to do during that time.  The employees are not arriving 20 minutes early because they like their work environment so much, or because the coffee there is so much better than elsewhere.

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Guest (5017)

  • 1177 Days Ago
  • 11/24/2008

Re: Management's viewpoint is nonsense

This does not seem like a very big issue until you realize companies are forcing employees to clock in on the computer which they must first bootup and docking them 5 to 15 minutes when they clock in late.

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MacLir

12 Comments

  • 1100 Days Ago
  • 02/09/2009

Re: Management's viewpoint is nonsense

Depending on the timecard software, a solution might be to have one person come in early in rotation and boot up their machine.

Then use it as a "timeclock" for everyone else, who then go boot their own machines.

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wrrock

9 Comments

  • 1029 Days Ago
  • 04/21/2009

True

Whenever I hire a lawyer they charge me for every phone call, letter, talks in different places, etc..

I'm certain the lawyers involved know the correct billing practices and would not even be surprised if there is precedence.

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hankjmatt

5 Comments

  • 973 Days Ago
  • 06/16/2009

My work PC has lots of crud on it

My work PC has lots of crud on it -- all kinds of antivirus, monitoring, networking, etc. -- and has to access at least 3 different servers. It takes at least 10 minutes to fully boot up, and it is a very good PC. Imagine a call center's junky PCs, booting up their bloated call-center software, accessing an overloaded server, etc. So 30 minutes doesn't sound outrageous.
club penguin

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gognod

2 Comments

  • 957 Days Ago
  • 07/02/2009

Re: My work PC has lots of crud on it

Why should an employee have to spend an extra 2.5 hours a week at the office and not get paid for it. If you work the time then you should get paid for it or the company should employ someone to come in and boot the machines before work starts.
gognod BeadStalk

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