Preserving One Web

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• Hello? It's already here...HELLO? .pH on 11/16/2007 at 2:22 AM

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  Curious to know what happened in the scheme of things and W3C acceptance of .mobi? http://www.w3.org/2006/11/mTLD.pdf Standards regarding this very subject are already in place. Take a look at some sites: SDCA.mobi - San Diego traffic, weather, and surf reports. Boroughs.mobi - Whatever there is in NYC, it can be found here. These are not only sites viewable on the mobile device, they were MADE for the mobile device and work EQUALLY WELL on the PC. That is where this is all headed. With smart phones outseling PC's 4:1, sites devoted to mobiles need to be mobile friendly first, then PC friendly. Not only are mobile devices outselling PC's, they already out number PC's with 3.5 million subscribers with that number expected to double by 2010. So where is the mention of .mobi in this message? Or has that been edited? Each mobile compliant site works on ALL mobile devices, regardless of browser and maker. Apps are also being made and accepted by Apple for the iPhone. A mobile readiness test/emulator is already in place. http://mtld.mobi/emulator.php What happened with the rest of the story? Mobile Industry Leaders Agree on Best Practices for Mobile Web Content http://www.w3.org/2006/01/mbp-pressrelease The alpha testing of the W3C alpha module is not the bomb, it IS A bomb...as in dud. Need more convincing? Try any number of these sites on any number of devices...MOBILE DEVICES. Many will auto detect that you are using a PC and will give you the PC version. Banking BofA.mobi (Bank of America) Deutsche-Bank.mobi Wachovia.mobi Barclays.mobi Insurance Ing.mobi StateFarm.mobi AXA.mobi Hotels Marriott.mobi Car Manufacturers Ferrari.mobi BMW.mobi Rolls-Royce.mobi FordCA.mobi (Ford Canada) Transportation Amtrak.mobi AAA.mobi (American Automobile Association) Sports ESPN.mobi NBA.mobi WNBA.mobi Magazines Time.mobi (Time Magazine) BusinessWeek.mobi CNNMoney.mobi Alcohol Smirnoff.mobi Internet MSN.mobi GoDaddy.mobi / TDNAM.mobi Technology Cisco.mobi News FoxNews.mobi AlJazeera.mobi Newspapers TheSun.mobi Guides Zagat.mobi Mobile Operators T-Mobile.mobi Three.mobi Vodafone.mobi TIM.mobi Orange.mobi Mobile Manufacturers Nokia.mobi SonyEricsson.mobi Telecommunications Ericsson.mobi 3Skype.mobi Weather Weather.mobi (The Weather Channel) Cities Helsinki.mobi Airlines SAS.mobi Clothing Polo.mobi Quikstore.mobi (Quiksilver) BenettonPress.mobi (United Colors of Benetton) Airports Schiphol.mobi (Amsterdam) Television TBS.mobi Rate this comment: (Reply)

  • 	Did you even read the article? jreno on 11/16/2007 at 6:29 AM
    Posts: 1	Hello. Going by your .mobi logic/propaganda, the simple solution to this problem is to produce a .mobi version of every website. Is this not part of the problem in the first place? Quoting timbl, "what's best for the user is one URL that works everywhere". Enough said. p.s. your subject line is like sooo 1999.. hello? Rate this comment: (Reply)

    • Re: Did you even read the article? .pH on 11/21/2007 at 2:45 AM

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      jreno, Did you even read the article? Or did you just read my response? Or is this an anti-mobi rebuttal on your part? That subtitle..."The W3C hopes that its new tool will help developers build websites that will work well on any device, be it a phone or a video-game console." Quite misleading, is it not? Only twice is the mention of a video game console mentioned. Once in the subtitle and once in the body copy. So why was the gist of the article more slanted to the connectivity of the mobile device? One can guess that perhaps mobile connectivity may be the real issue here. W3C is taking something that already exists and making it what...there's? So please don't tell me about the .mobi propaganda machine. Contact these folks that I listed and tell them what a mistake they made. And for something sssssoooooo 1990's, it got a rise out of you, it appears. Disco rocks! Rate this comment: (Reply)

    • Re: Did you even read the article? .pH on 11/21/2007 at 2:56 AM

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      "what's best for the user is one URL that works everywhere". Enough said. Oh, almost forgot...not enough said. Please select from this list of URL's one and ONE ONLY URL that will work everywhere and we'll get rid of the rest, per Timbl's and jreno's request (by the way, a URL is a web address...it has nothing to do with the more than 260 plus ccTLD's and TLD's. But I am sure you knew that already). So I will go on the assumption that both of you knew what you meant and not what you said. Pick one please: a (unknown) bitnet (unknown) ac United Kingdom academic institutions ad Andorra ae United Arab Emirates af Afghanistan ag Antigua and Barbuda ai Anguilla al Albania am Armenia an Netherlands Antilles fi Finland fj Fiji fk Falkland Islands (Malvinas) fm Micronesia fo Faroe Islands fr France fx France (Metropolitan) ga Gabon gb Great Britain (UK) gd Grenada ge Georgia gf French Guiana gh Ghana gi Gibraltar gl Greenland gm Gambia gn Guinea gov US Government gp Guadaloupe gq Equatorial Guinea gr Greece gs South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands gt Guatemala gu Guam gw Guinea-Bissau gy Guyana hk Hong Kong hm Heard and McDonald Islands hn Honduras hr Croatia (Hrvatska) ht Haiti hu Hungary id Indonesia ie Ireland il Israel in India io British Indian Ocean Territory iq Iraq ir Iran is Iceland it Italy jm Jamaica jo Jordan jp Japan ke Kenya kg Kyrgyzstan kh Cambodia ki Kiribati km Comoros kn Saint Kitts and Nevis kp Korea (North) kr Korea (South) ku Kuwait ky Cayman Islands kz Kazakhstan la Laos lb Lebanon lc Saint Lucia li Liechtenstein lk Sri Lanka lr Liberia ls Lesotho lt Lithuania lu Luxembourg lv Latvia ly Libya ma Morocco mc Monaco md Moldova mg Madagascar mh Marshall Islands mil US Military mk Macedonia ml Mali mm Mynamar mn Mongolia mo Macau mp Northern Mariana Islands mq Martinique mr Mauritania ms Montserrat mt Malta mu Mauritius mv Maldives mw Malawi mx Mexico my Malaysia mz Mozambique na Namibia nc New Caledonia ne Niger net US network nf Norfolk Island ng Nigeria ni Nicaragua nl Netherlands no Norway np Nepal nr Nauru nt Neutral Zone nu Niue nz New Zealand (Aotearoa) om Oman org US Non-Profit Organization pa Panama pe Peru pf French Polynesia pg Papua New Guinea ph Philippines pk Pakistan pl> Poland pm Saint Pierre and Miquelon pn Pitcairn pr Puerto Rico pt Portugal pw Palau py Paraguay qa Qatar re Reunion ro Romania ru Russian Federation rw Rwanda sa Saudi Arabia sb Solomon Islands sc Seychelles sd Sudan se Sweden sg Singapore sh Saint Helena si Slovenia sj Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands sk Slovak Republic sl Sierra Leone sm San Marino sn Senegal so Somalia sr Suriname st Sao Tome and Principe su USSR (former) sv El Salvador sy Syria sz Swaziland tc Turks and Caicos Islands td Chad tf French Southern Territories tg Togo th Thailand tj Tajikistan tk Tokelau tm Turkmenistan tn Tunisia to Tonga tp East Timor tr Turkey tt Trinidad and Tobago tv Tuvalu tw Taiwan tz Tanzania ua Ukraine ug Uganda uk United Kingdom um US Minor Outlying Islands us United States uy Uruguay uz Uzbekistan va Vatican City State vc Saint Vincent and the Grenadines ve Venezuela vg Virgin Islands (British) vi Virgin Islands (US) vn Viet Nam vu Vanuatu wf Wallis and Futuna Islands ws Samoa ye Yemen yt Mayotte yu Yugoslavia za South Africa zm Zambia zr Zaire zw Zimbabwe and do not forget .com, .net, .org, .info, .mobi, .tv, .aero, .pro, .edu, .name, etc. ao Angola aq Antarctica ar Argentina as American Samoa at Austria au Australia aw Aruba az Azerbaijan ba Bosnia and Herzegovina bb Barbados bd Bangladesh be Belgium bf Burkina Faso bg Bulgaria bh Bahrain bi Burundi bj Benin bm Bermuda bn Brunei Darussalam bo Bolivia br Brazil bs Bahamas bt Bhutan bv Bouvet Island bw Botswana by Belarus bz Belize ca Canada cc Cocos (Keeling) Islands cf Central African Republic cg Congo ch Switzerland ci Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast) ck Cook Islands cl Chile cm Cameroon cn China co Colombia com US Commercial cr Costa Rica cs Czechoslovakia (former) cu Cuba cv Cape Verde cx Christmas Island cy Cyprus cz Czech Republic de Germany dj Djibouti dk Denmark dm Dominica do Dominican Republic dz Algeria ec Ecuador edu US Educational ee Estonia eg Egypt eh Western Sahara er Eritrea es Spain et Ethiopia Rate this comment: (Reply)

      • Re: Did you even read the article? anbageorge on 11/26/2007 at 2:48 PM

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        I just read the article, then all your responses.  I'm not sure any of you really understood what was said. The point is that websites should display differently to suit devices, but still using the same URL.  One way to accomplish this is with style sheets. For example, if I go to cnn.com on my Windows Mobile phone, I don't get the large images and have to pan across the screen to see all the content.  But on a desktop, I get the rich interface.  Both will have the same menu *items* and content.  All with the same URL. .mobi is not the solution.  An alternate URL is not the solution.  This is not the one web! Rate this comment: (Reply)

        • Re: Did you even read the article? .pH on 01/02/2008 at 12:19 AM

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          by anbageorge  11/26/2007 2:48 PM I just read the article, then all your responses.  I'm not sure any of you really understood what was said. The point is that websites should display differently to suit devices, but still using the same URL.  One way to accomplish this is with style sheets. For example, if I go to cnn.com on my Windows Mobile phone, I don't get the large images and have to pan across the screen to see all the content.  But on a desktop, I get the rich interface.  Both will have the same menu *items* and content.  All with the same URL. .mobi is not the solution.  An alternate URL is not the solution.  This is not the one web! ------------------------------------------- Then one web is not the solution. What you have just described is an auto detection to fit the size site. The CNN mobile site does not offer  all the capabilities of the PC site, just as my bank and email is autodetected to fit the mobile size screen. But, I have to select the HTML format to get to log in and use my password. Lots of time scrolling, hunting, and typing. Very time consuming. Just like the CNN site. It will not show images, it will not provide you options to email, comment etc UNLESS you select the HTML option. So no...the .com site is not the same. Therefore, one web will not be the solution for quite some time. There will need to be two simultaneous solutions and webs coexisting until one overtakes the other and renders it obsolete. With mobile devices outselling PC's and Laptops at a rate of four to one and with half the world's population as mobile phone subscribers, I wonder who will win out in the long run? I think I will go with the 3.3 billion who are phone subscribers and play the 4:1 odds in favor of the mobile internet being the future. Future? It is here Rate this comment: (Reply)

• 	webbed feet phoenix on 11/16/2007 at 8:02 PM
  Posts: 82 Avg Rating:	Is it getting hot in here or was this last post just another side effect of global warming? I mean its perfectly legal to have a little fun at someone elses expense every now and then, but I see a lot of content lately that you would expect coming from a dinosaur. And we all know from our science textbooks that they went extinct a long long time ago. Or did they? Rate this comment: (Reply)