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Hydrogen from Algae

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By Prachi Patel

Thursday, September 27, 2007

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Switching 100 percent of the algae's photosynthesis to hydrogen might not be possible. "The rule of thumb is, if we bring that up to 50 percent, it would be economically viable," Melis says. With 50 percent capacity, one acre of algae could produce 40 kilograms of hydrogen per day. That would bring the cost of producing hydrogen to $2.80 a kilogram. At this price, hydrogen could compete with gasoline, since a kilogram of hydrogen is equivalent in energy to a gallon of gasoline.

In 2000, Melis, working with researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), found that depriving the algae of sulfur nutrients forced the cells to make more hydrogen. The researchers were only able to deprive the algae of sulfur for a few days at a time, but during that time, about 10 percent of the algae's photosynthetic capacity went toward making hydrogen.

Researchers at NREL are making progress in increasing hydrogen-production efficiency, according to lead researcher Michael Seibert. They can now force the algae to generate hydrogen for up to three months, as opposed to just a few days. Seibert expects that Melis's chlorophyll-trimmed algae will be useful when the process is transferred to large bioreactors. Until the NREL researchers test the mutant algae, though, he says that it may be too early to tell.

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  • Environmentally Safe
    Reduced chlorophyl algy may be environmentally safe.

    My thought is that, since it has a built in deficiency, in the wild it would be out competed by it's fully photosynthetic bretheren.
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    nick47g
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    • Re: Environmentally Safe?
      It would be a good thing if the hydrogen-producing algae can't survive in the wild.  Can you imagine an ocean of the algae producing hydrogen and it exploding?  Talk about climate change!
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      cyberpageman
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  • Come to Florida
    Come to Florida, we have plenty of lakes with too much algae.  Alge likes lots of sunshine year round.  We also have a phosphate mine runoff.
    This makes the algea GROW.
      The problem with going really big on this is, collecting the H2 from a lake.  This forces you to have a glass covered greenhouse.  The oil producing algea could be grown in open lakes.
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    SirLanse
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  • What to do with H2?
    Even if we could generate H2, the question is what to do with it?  It turns out to be a lousy transportation fuel, as a quick gedanken shows:

    Suppose you had H2.  You could transport to filling stations, compress it, and fill up vehicle fuel tanks, and then in the vehicle decompress it, and feed a fuel cell, generate electricity, and power an electric motor.  A fuel cell vehicle (FCV) is just a battery electric vehicle (BEV) with some of the batteries (but not all) replaced by a tank and a fuel cell.  The only problem is that mobile fuel cells (e.g. PEMs) are inefficient, converting more than half of the energy in the H2 into heat instead of electricity.  What else could you do?  You could turn the H2 into electricity in a stationary fuel cell (e.g. molten carbonate, much more efficient than PEMs) and follow that with a steam turbine (sort of combined cycle).  That combination has been prototyped, and in the future with development is estimated to reach 70% efficiency.  Transmit this power over the grid (92% efficient), and charge a battery pack in a BEV or plug-in hybrid, and then deliver that battery power (86% efficient) to the motor and you get 70%*92%*86%=55% efficiency, which is higher than anything you'll get from the compress/transport hydrogen and then decompress and convert it to electricity on the road.

    Of course if one had electricity to start with, it would be even more efficient to just use it directly (to generate H2 from electricity would be crazy).  Generating H2 from sunlight might make sense, but the above analysis suggests it does only if the efficiency of sunlight to H2 is much greater than the current sunlight to electricity efficiency of 30% (cost-effective solar thermal).  Given current mobile PEM fuel cells, it might have to be as much as 60% efficient to beat 30% efficient sunlight to electricity.  That seems extremely unlikely (NREL's algae for biodiesel acheived only 7.5% efficient conversion of sunlight to oil, for example).
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    eak
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    • Re: What to do with H2?
      Actually, your argument is slightly flawed.  Yes, unless H2 generation by algae and the subsequent capture is highly efficient, we will be getting less energy per acre of land in use than if we were cover that same acre of land in 'high-efficiency' solar panels, but you're neglecting the costs associated.  As pointed out, to grow algae all you need is a hole in the ground full of water, and some algae to seed the colony with.  Effectively all of your cost will be in the equipment used to capture and refine the H2.  Solar panels cost money to produce, especially when we're using the relatively high efficiency ones.  Solar panels will also require maintenance, cleaning, and replacement.  Algae will just need the water topped up occasionally, plus the maintenance on the H2 collectors.  Odds are if you did the math, you'll end up with more economical energy production from the algae.  As a bonus, is you setup the algae colonies as a continuous culture, you can siphon off a steady supply of biomass for production of biodiesel, as mentioned in the article.
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      acetonitrile
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      • Re: What to do with H2?
        Eak, you are right that it is likely to be more efficient to make electricity directly from solar energy rather than make hydrogen to be converted to electricity later. Nonetheless, there is an important reason to make the hydrogen. Hydrogen stores the energy.

        Hydrogen generated during the day can make electricity at night or on a very cloudy day.

        Also, some people feel that they need more range for their electric vehicles. Vehicles with hydrogen stored in tanks can travel farther between refueling than vehicles with electricity stored in batteries.
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        RosenfeldR
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        • Re: What to do with H2?
          I think one other thing that's not being considered here is the mass balance of the algae.  It takes more than water and a blob of algae to get this thing moving.  The technology itself claims to depend on deprivation of sulphur.  If, as I understand things, the algae are being used catalytically, it's all good.  But if any significant fraction of the biomass has to be consumed to product this stuff, all bets are off.  You can't supplant something as huge as fossil fuels if you're having to feed the algae with nutrient from outside the system. 

          But if it really is a nearly catalytic system, I can see this working quite well.  The algae are pumped along through enclosed, transparent flow channels under sunlight.  When they reach the end of the channel, you feed them back to either be "fattened up" with sulphur rich diet or they're flocculated and recycled as nutrient for the next batch.

          Either way, this is not as simple as dumping algae into a pond.  But I still like the concept.
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          Grak
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        • Re: What to do with H2?
          RosenfeldR wrote "Nonetheless, there is an important reason to make the hydrogen. Hydrogen stores the energy."  Yes it does, but there are apparently much better ways to store the energy than producing H2.  For example, start-up Ausra claims to have a technique for storing solar energy as heat at efficiencies over 90% for 16h.  This allows them to generate electricity from the sun 24x7.  (Placing the mirrors in the desert southwest with very high annual insolation -- essentially no cloudy days -- is also important.)

          Batteries in vehicles also store energy, at efficiencies >85%.  Such efficiency in the H2 world is unheard of as far as I know of.
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          killian
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      • Re: What to do with H2?
        You said, "we will be getting less energy per acre of land in use than if we were cover that same acre of land in 'high-efficiency' solar panels, but you're neglecting the costs associated.  As pointed out, to grow algae all you need is a hole in the ground full of water, and some algae to seed the colony with."

        Actually, as I understand NREL's work on algae from the late 1990s, open ponds were found not to work, due to contamination and other strains crowding out the desired strains.  They suggested that sealed bioreactors are required.  Do you know of more recent research that suggest otherwise?

        Also, I don't suggest photovoltaics, as "high-efficiency solar panels" might suggest in your reply.  Solar thermal is enormously lower $/kW and $/kWh than photovoltaics.  PV has use in residential applications, but in large installations, solar-thermal (mirrors in the desert powering steam turbines) is probably a factor of 4 or 5 more cost effective.

        There are actually several companies trying to commercialize biodiesel from algae, and it is much more high-tech and costly than your analysis suggests (and it involves sealed bioreactors).

        There is also the usage-end to consider, as opposed to the production end.  Electric vehicles are 2-4 times the efficiency of biofuel and H2 powered vehicles, which again means that much less land is required to generate the same 2.7 trillion vehicle miles traveled each year (rising at about 2%/year) that our nation seems to require.
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        killian
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    • Re: What to do with H2?
      I hope eak will forgive me for copy, paste and edit of his comment. What to do with H2? by eak  09/29/2007 1:20 AM 

      We already produce H2 = hydrogen. It is available for welding in all cities and many towns and villages. It has some disadvantages over other transportation fuels.

      Suppose you had H2.  You could transport it to filling stations, compress it, and fill up vehicle fuel tanks, and then in the vehicle decompress it. This provides refrigeration which will sometimes be useful to keep your picnic cold or frozen, to cool the battery and motors and to cool the passengers. In very cold ambient, the cold is a liability. Some of the energy from decompressing can be used = see air powered car. The hydrogen feeds a fuel cell, generates electricity, then powers an electric motor.  A fuel cell vehicle (FCV) is just a battery electric vehicle (BEV) with some of the batteries (but not all) replaced by a tank and a fuel cell.  The only problem is that mobile fuel cells (e.g. PEMs) are inefficient, converting more than half of the energy in the H2 into heat instead of electricity. The heat is useful in cold weather.
      What else could you do?  You could turn the H2 into electricity in a stationary fuel cell (e.g. molten carbonate, much more efficient than PEMs) and follow that with a steam turbine (sort of combined cycle).  That combination has been prototyped, and in the future with development is estimated to reach 70% efficiency.  Transmit this power over the grid (92% efficient at best), and charge a battery pack in a BEV or plug-in hybrid, and then deliver that battery power (86% or less efficient) to the motor and you get 70%*92%*86%=55% efficiency, which is higher than anything you'll get from the compress/transport hydrogen and then decompress and convert it to electricity on the road.

      Of course if one had surplus electricity to start with, it would be even more efficient to just use it directly to generate H2 from electricity (50% efficient) Generating H2 from sunlight, or a SBSP = space based solar power,  might make sense, but the above analysis suggests it does only if the efficiency of sunlight to H2 is much greater than the current sunlight to electricity efficiency of 30% (cost-effective solar thermal).  Given current mobile PEM fuel cells, it might have to be as much as 60% efficient to beat 30% efficient sunlight to electricity.  That seems extremely unlikely. NREL's algae for biodiesel acheived only 7.5% efficient conversion of sunlight to oil.
      Me: Internal combustion vehicles and hybred electric vehicles can use several percent hydrogen fed into the air intake of the internal combustion motor. This is almost as efficient as present mobile fuel cells and much lower initial cost.
      Hydrogen can be made from electricity, economically, when the wholesale price drops to about one cent per kilowatt hour, which occurs after midnight in many locales at present and will occur afternoons in June and July in locales with lots of solar energy. This hydrogen source could total 1% of the world's energy needs, so hydrogen could fill an important nitch. Does anyone have details on the molton carbonate fuel cell? Please refute, embellish and/or comment.  Neil
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      Neilzero
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      • Re: What to do with H2?
        Neilzero wrote, "I hope eak will forgive me for copy, paste and edit of his comment."  Nothing to forgive, but I did have a hard time following your edits.

        You said, "Hydrogen can be made from electricity economically, when the wholesale price drops to about one cent per kilowatt hour,..."  But the point of the gedanken I proposed is that it is inferior at any cost to produce H2 from electricity, since the electricity can be used directly more efficiently than H2.

        Here is one reference for molten carbonate fuel cells:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_carbonate_fuel_cell

        You might also find this reference useful:
        http://tinyurl.com/eccv6
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        killian
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    • Re: What to do with H2?
      Different thinking needed here... There is already a lot of talk about turning the power grid on it's head via distributed generation. It's possible to imagine a time when we have hydrogen producers scattered across the landscape including in residential areas, storing the hydrogen in fuel cells, then feeding it back up the grid to power industrial processes. This doesn't require transport in the traditional sense, just a grid that can control and aggregate multiple small power sources. The power grid, after all, should be no more of a one-way medium than is the Internet.
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      XericClapton
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  • [no subject]
    I like the idea that fuel from algae will typically be produced on land too swampy for other agriculture. I would hate to see bio fuels, increase the cost of food leading to more hungry humans. The green folks will however be upset about modifing the environment of wet lands. My opinion is we need to sacrifice some wet lands, to reduce our dependence on Arab oil. Our continued dependence could lead to the death of millions of more or less innocent people. A matter far more important than a modest loss of biodiversity in my opinion.  Neil
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    Neilzero
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    • Re: abandoned ponds better alternative than wetlands
      here in the Philippines we have a lot of abandoned prawn farms since the onset of diseases of prawn.  Might as well utilize them as the generators of algal biofuel instead of sacrificing our precious wetlands- and i agree that it would be a irreversible process if we neglect the importance of wetlands in our ecosystem.
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      amphora
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  • Park SUV's & Plant Trees
    The real question is, what are we doing this for, to keep driving ostentatious vehicles?  You don't need an Escalade to pick up a quart of milk.

    Are our troops dying so you can?

    Every study that I have seen that figures in reforestation, shows that it has the biggest and most immediate payoff of any strategy.

    Finally, electric vehicles, even ostentatiuos ones, are wildly more efficient than internal combustion powered ones.
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    nick47g
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    • Re: Reforestation....
      There is limited land available for planting trees . Forests aren't the only important habitat . Farmland is an important wildlife habitat , and farmers can build up that habitat by enriching their soils with carbon , making their land more productive . The increase in productivity can be split three ways between providing more food for a growing world population , more food for wildlife and more biofuel .
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      DJTal
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  • Carbon balance.
    What is the net carbon balance of this process.
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    pcinpc
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  • Clean Fuel?
    Some very good points here. I think it's also worth noting an algae fuel could produce ethanol and biodiesel while consuming carbon in it's production. With it's waste being easily converted into hydrogen.
    I wonder if the real reason none of these viable solutions are being persued by the powers that be are because they may actually believe we can have hydrogen on demand using DC electrolysis with a specific alloy and a portable radio frequency generator to fracture water into hydrogen and oxygen creating an endless supply of clean fuel?
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    greencash
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