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Cheap Ethanol from Tires and Trash

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  • Monday, January 14, 2008
  • By Kevin Bullis

The hybrid system makes it practical to use an alternative to the conventional distillation step used in ethanol production; the Coskata version uses only half as much energy. In this alternative process, called vapor permeation, water and ethanol vapor pass through a tubelike membrane. By the end, almost all the water has been removed, leaving behind ethanol that's 99.7 percent pure. Ordinary fermentation processes produce a broth of water and ethanol full of processed biomass that would clog up such a membrane.

At least one other company has tried a hybrid approach to making ethanol: the biofuels company BRI Energy found similar bacteria that can process syngas. But Andy Aden, a senior researcher investigating cellulosic ethanol at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, CO, says one problem with such approaches is that it's been difficult to make the syngas accessible to the bacteria, since syngas doesn't dissolve easily in water. Coskata has tackled this problem with a new bioreactor design in which bacteria grow in dense biofilms on the outside of hollow fibers. Syngas is pumped through the inside of these fibers and diffuses through them directly to the biofilm. Aden says the biofilm approach sounds promising, although he cautions that such systems have been difficult to scale up to the commercial scale.

While Coskata says its process can work with a very wide range of feedstocks, in practice it might be best suited for specific materials. "I think that it will work very well for woody materials and maybe almost uniquely well for municipal solid waste and some of these other high-carbon wastes, like tires," says Bruce Dale, a professor of chemical engineering and materials science at Michigan State University. But he says biological approaches could work better with feedstocks such as switchgrass.

So far the company makes ethanol only a few drips at a time. The economics of the process at the commercial scale will depend on a number of factors, including how much the feedstock costs and whether the system works well in larger bioreactors.

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kitk

76 Comments

  • 1492 Days Ago
  • 01/14/2008

down the entropy slope

Although this method seems simple, it still wastes a lot of energy potential. The molecules in the feed stock resemble the fuel output more than the intermediate syngas, and a lot of energy is used up in all these conversions. At best, I view this as a good way to dispose of trash.

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DJTal

154 Comments

  • 1492 Days Ago
  • 01/14/2008

.....?????

Where do the bacteria get the energy from in order to grow ?....heat ? plus it seems incedibly complex to grow bacteria on some sort of fibrous material . Needs more explanation since the company website doesn't tell us much .

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shomas

246 Comments

  • 1486 Days Ago
  • 01/20/2008

Re: .....?????

I believe the article stated, "It is theoretically possible to feed our organism exclusively carbon monoxide and it will make ethanol from that".

Carbon monoxide (CO) has more energy then carbon dioxide (CO2). Bacteria feed on CO and H20, converting it to Ethanol(C2H5) and carbon dioxide(CO2). 5(H2O) + 13(CO) => 2(C2H5) + 9(CO2) + energy

Burning the ethanol looks like 2(C2H5) + 13(O2) = 5(H20) + 4(CO2) + energy

Another article in TR suggested using compressed air to store energy for a vehicle. What is the feasibility of using both the chemical and the mechanical energy in compressed carbon monoxide?
Compressed 2(CO) + 1(O2) => 2(CO2) + energy + energy of compression.

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DJTal

154 Comments

  • 1482 Days Ago
  • 01/24/2008

Re: .....?????

Not sure what ya mean ?

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MakeSense

99 Comments

  • 1486 Days Ago
  • 01/20/2008

The Cost of Gathering and Handling Biomass

I tend to doubt the cheap cost of this ethanol. This process resembles synfuel production from biomass. 70% of the cost of that cost-prohibitive process goes to collection, handling and preparation of the biomass. Why would this process not face the same costs?

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DJTal

154 Comments

  • 1482 Days Ago
  • 01/24/2008

Re: The Cost of Gathering and Handling Biomass

Producing ethanol from cellulosic material using gasification is the way to produce the cheapest ethanol . It been proven .

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Bytesmiths

4 Comments

  • 1479 Days Ago
  • 01/27/2008

There's something missing here...

"It is theoretically possible to feed our organism exclusively carbon monoxide and it will make ethanol from that,"

Not without a bunch of hydrogen, it isn't!

Ethanol, C2H5OH, has three times as many atoms of hydrogen as it does of carbon, and six times as much hydrogen as oxygen. So I don't know how one could possibly make it "exclusively" from carbon monoxide.

Maybe that was taken out of context. But statements like this blow my suspension of disbelief out of the water.

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shomas

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  • 1291 Days Ago
  • 08/02/2008

Re: Something Missing Hear

Not without a bunch of hydrogen, it isn't!

Ethanol, C2H5OH, has three times as many atoms of hydrogen as it does of carbon, and six times as much hydrogen as oxygen. So I don't know how one could possibly make it "exclusively" from carbon monoxide.


It is completely true C2H5OH can not be made from strictly CO. I don't think the author considered water part of the organisms feed stock which it is. Chemist out there, please forgive my notations but wouldn't it take 2(CO) and 3(H2O) to make 1(C2H5OH) and 3(O2) oxygen molecule.

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