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Friday, March 24, 2006

The Lithium-Ion Car

Altair Nanotechnologies plans to road test an advanced electric vehicle prototype.

By Kevin Bullis

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Advances in lithium-ion battery technology over the last few years have experts and enthusiasts alike wondering if the new batteries may soon make high-performance electric vehicles widely available. Now one company, Altair Nanotechnologies of Reno, NV, has announced plans to start testing its new batteries in prototype electric vehicles, with road tests scheduled to begin by year-end.

The company says its new electrode materials allow higher bursts of power, longer battery life, and more available energy storage capacity -- and far quicker "fill-up" -- than previous lithium-ion batteries. The goal: an electric car that performs as well as a conventional car. "The user experience will be similar, except the vehicle is quieter and it's environmentally greener," says Alan Gotcher, the company's CEO.

Altairnano plans to incorporate batteries that use their new lithium-ion electrode material into a prototype electric vehicle, in cooperation with Boshart Engineering of Ontario, CA. Gotcher says the batteries use a safe, stable structure that increases their lifetime by preventing the electrodes from expanding and contracting as the ions move in and out -- a principle reason for the eventual death of conventional lithium-ion batteries.

The batteries can also handle big bursts of power, which occur in both fast charging and quick acceleration. Also, Gotcher says an electric vehicle using their batteries could charge in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gas and buy a cup of coffee and snack -- six to eight minutes.

This efficiency and an expected range of 200-250 miles could make such an electric car more appealing to consumers than GM's now-discontinued EV-1, for example, which took six to eight hours to charge and had a range of only 75-130 miles, depending on conditions. The extended range of the new batteries, which have a total storage capacity similar to today's nickel metal-hydride batteries, is possible because they can be discharged more deeply while maintaining a constant voltage, increasing the usable energy storage capacity, Gotcher says.

Gotcher says the new battery materials can be produced for about the same cost as conventional lithium-ion materials, but will have two to three times the lifespan of today's batteries. He says it's too early to speculate on the price of a production vehicle using the batteries.

The performance figures seem promising to Ron Freund, chairman of the non-profit Electric Auto Association based in Los Altos Hills, CA. "Sounds great," he says, "but the proof in the pudding is how they work in a vehicle, so it's useful that they are going to create a vehicle." He hopes the company won't stop there, since data from just one prototype can be misleading -- the real question, he says, is whether such vehicles can be made with consistent performance from vehicle to vehicle.

In the past, electric vehicles powered by lead-acid or nickel-metal hydride batteries, such as GMs EV-1 and Toyota's RAV4-EV, have sold poorly, leading the automakers to discontinue them. Today consumers are limited to so-called "neighborhood" electric vehicles, which have to stay off highways, and some limited production full-speed models, such as the Tango, famously driven by the actor George Clooney, and some pricey high-performance sports cars. Many hobbyists also opt to convert hybrids and conventional cars to electric cars themselves.

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  • The Lithium-Ion Car
    Guest (Bill Economidis) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    It's so over due. Bring it.
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    • Megawatts
      Guest (Phil ) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Let's see...

      A typical gas car has it's 15 gallon tank filled in 5-10 minutes.  Each gallon has approx 145 million joules in it.  Assume that 25% of that actually gets converted to work and you need to transfer about 550 million joules in 10 minutes.

      Charge your battery at the same rate and you're looking at a charging rate of 1 Megawatt.  That's 2000 amps at 480 volts or 220 amps at 4160 volts.

      And you thought filling a hydrogen car was dangerous...
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      • Megawatts indeed
        Guest (Tim) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        Phil,

        I worked it out at around 5MWh feed for a 3 minute charge for a 280mile range, so I think we are talking the same level of magnitude here - megawatt connectors!

        I can see the need for some form of aircraft grade coupling using 10+ cables to allow flexability for hookup assisted by a boom.

        Filling your car will feel like hooking up to the Admiral Graf Spee!
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      • Megawatts
        Guest (Max) on 03/25/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        You forget, that elektric engine is aronud 90% eficient not 25%
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      • Tire Contact
        Guest (Grogue) on 04/02/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        I was thinking that a charge connector that would use a vehicles tires as conductors somehow would do the trick. Far enough apart and large enough surface area.
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      • Lower Charge Current
        Guest (Grogue) on 04/02/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        Seems to me that you would only need  about 2700amps for 5 mins at a 12C rate for a 222 Ah - 270 Volt pack which would give you about 60KWh..should give a 200 mile range for an S-10EV.

        Still lots of current but if you spread it out over a large surface area its not too bad.
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        • Where is all the electricity going to come from?
          Guest (Jason) on 04/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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          If a nuclear reactor can produce 1000 MWh, how many cars could one nuclear reactor charge every night?
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          • Re: Where is all the electricity going to come from?
            theBike45 on 08/22/2006 at 10:50 PM
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              You are absolutely right. If everyone, or even
            a substantial portion of drivers started using electric cars, our strained grid would completely fall apart. Doing the recharging at night is not only not always possible, but in the winter the
            grid will still be humming at that hour running the heat pumps overtime. 
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      • Re: Megawatts
        only_he_stands_here on 02/04/2007 at 1:55 PM
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        If a welding robot can tack a weld within 1/1000 of an inch repetedly, could we use a robotic arm to plug in our vehicals? This way people would not be subjected to VERY dangerous amounts of power. This could also solve the weight problem of the conductor. For a transfer of 1MW the weight if the insulator alone, i would imagine, would be to heavy for a person to lift easily.
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  • Ways to reduce the charging curent
    Guest (Mark Shapiro) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Electric cars don't need nearly as much energy as gasoline powered cars since electric motors are more efficient, so the charging current and wattage needn't be so high.  Making cars lighter would improve the situation further.

    And remember, you could still use the batteries in a hybrid - just yank out 90% of the batteries and throw in a generator.
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    • Efficiency
      Guest (Phil) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      I accounted for (roughly) the difference in efficiency between an internal combustion engine and an electric motor in my calculation.  I was even generous with respect to the electric motor which in my calculation is 100% efficient.  A real motor will need even more stored energy.
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    • ICE is more like 10%
      Guest (ji) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Internal combustion gasoline engines are only about 10% efficient in converting gasoline energy to locomotion. Almost all of it is wasted as heat.

      Regardless, charging a Li-ion battery of that capacity in minutes is going to be a real safety challenge.
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  • Converting our new Toyota Highlander hybrid
    Guest (Ed Ablard) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Anybody who can put the world in touch with reputable firms that are making conversion of current vehicles to LiIon batteries would be doing a good turn.

    I wonder about the source of the information about fires in the current setup. Can anyone enlighten us?

    Ed Ablard
    Alexandria, VA
    eablard@ablard.com
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  • lithium batteries
    Guest (geoff thomas) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Valance tech already makes safe, large format batteries.   also: for cars- let the customer buy the batterie capacity they need- here in NJ we do not need a range of 200 miles- 50 miles is fine- so modularize the purchase of the batteries to keep costs and weight down!
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    • Hot swappable batteries
      Guest (Gary) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Why not have hot swappable batteries at these energy stations, they charge the batteries they have overnight on cheap electricity, consumers then spend 2 minutes swapping them at the most, without the worry of using specialist equipment to charge them
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      • hot swappable batteries
        Guest (RemyC) on 03/26/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        Yes, power cells, like any decent sci-fi movie. Snap'em in, twist and lock. Snap'em out and recharge. Takes five seconds, like changing Nascar tire! Who says the batteries have to be hard wired into the vehicle? Isn't that what the Batteries Plus store chain banking on, to become the gas station of the future?
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        • Re: hot swappable batteries
          TimG on 08/22/2006 at 3:02 PM
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          Actually, the big problem with batteries is both initial cost and charging time.  Folks in a hurry won't want to be bothered waiting even '6 to 8 minutes' to charge up.  However, battery swapping need not include the entire pack.  If you just need enough charge to get home or to that meeting, the full voltage of the entire pack is rarely used.  Most of the time, we are cruising on reasonably level road.  I know there are some exceptions (San Francisco), but people will tailor their recharges around their tasks and habits.
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          • Re: hot swappable batteries
            theBike45 on 08/22/2006 at 10:46 PM
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            Sorry, but the idea of hot swapping 600 pounds of batteries is out of the question. And why would you assume that the batteries you're getting are as new as your own? They won't be. Let's think a little more carefully.  Huh?
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            • Re: hot swappable batteries
              scchiang on 10/12/2006 at 6:08 AM
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              I think this problem can be solved by standardization system. For example,if a standard battery can charge 1000 times and cost $1000. Each battery has a electronic counter that every charge the counter reduce the count by one until the count become zero the battery is take out service. If you swap a 500 count battery to a 600 count battery you get credit of $1.0 x (600-500) = $100 and so on.
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    • Do Jersey drivers gas up every 50 miles?
      Guest (Brian Cole) on 03/26/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Plenty of people in New Jersey do long commutes. For those only going a few miles a day, a range of 50 miles is fine, particularly if they don't mind stopping to fill up every 50 miles on longer trips:)
      -brian
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  • Moores law in technology
    Guest (Jim Stack) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Lithium will keep getting better. If Morores law of technology applied it will double in capacity and be 1/2 the price. Look at computers, cell phones and other great tech items.
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  • EV sales
    Guest (ji) on 03/24/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Sales of electric vehicles like the electric RAV-4 were limited by the manufacturer. They didn't attempt to make them easy to buy, they were preparing for the CARB rules that dictated 10% of unit sales in CA had to be zero emission by 2010. When the auto lobby got the rules changes, they immediately scrapped the otherwise promising EV programs.

    There are plenty of people willing to pay $40k for a good EV like the RAV-4, just as many as are willing to pay for a $40k Hummer or Jag. Nobody considers those models worthy of cancellation, why have different standards for those willing to pay for green vehicles as a life-style statement?
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    • EV1
      Guest (Uncle Bob) on 03/25/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      I was an EV1 driver - the cars did not "sell poorly" - because they were never sold, only leased.  Plus there was a waiting list to lease or buy them.  No marketing = no sales.

      I still miss that car.  They took it away when the lease expired and wouldn't renew it.  Then they crushed all the cars.  So, so sad...
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      • EV1 Team @ Altairnano
        Guest (JT) on 03/25/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        To encourage you - the core of the GM's EVI team is now at Altairnano leading the HEV/EV battery effort there.  Now with better batteries and lots more experience. 
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  • heaters in an electric car?
    Guest (Greg) on 03/27/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    How would an electric car stay warm in a Minnesota winter, I've always wanted to know?  Use up half your charge for electric heat?  Propane heater in the trunk? 
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    • heaters in an electric car?
      Guest (Grogue) on 04/02/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      S-10 EVs had an electric and a diesel powered heater. Diesel powered forced air heaters are very efficient, clean burning and are currently being made for marine use.
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      • heater
        Guest (Wavector) on 07/14/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        Sanden has an A/C electric compressor that operates at 320 volts DC. If engineers can design a system similar to a residential heat pump then the gases could be reversed to heat instead of cool.

        http://www.sanden.com/products/electric.html
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  • Change the Battery?
    Guest (Tim G.) on 05/14/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Why would it be so difficult to change the battery?  I realize the pack is not a small item.  However, with good design and the help of a service station you could be in and out in minutes.  Then the service station would take on the task of charging the drained batteries.  All this talk of plugging in your car strikes me as silly.  Busy people will not want to treat their highly important transportation as just another appliance they can wait to have recharged.
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    • Change the Battery
      Guest (Allen H) on 06/08/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Just not practical. Given the weight size, and likely location of battery packs (which could vary with each model- One of the advantages of the new lithium batteries is that they could be formed into odd shapes to conform to individual contours). Also, for a battery pack that might cost 3K, would you trade out your brand new one for one near the end of it's life cycle. Would the exxon swap out station give you a new exxon battery pack for the old Shell one etc.   Just not practical. 
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      • Re: Change the Battery
        theBike45 on 08/22/2006 at 10:52 PM
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        You're absolutely right - down the road we will have several battery technologies at the same time and the bigger issue is why I would swap my new battery for one that's old, or partially gone.
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      • Re: Change the Battery
        rden on 08/27/2007 at 11:51 AM
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        Battery packs would have to be standardized for swapping to take place much like  gas for your grill is the company owns the tank you own the grill and the gas  the company would own the battery pack you would own the car and the charge in it any way you look at it someone has to be able to make money off it or their isn’t going to be an infrastructure in place why do you think  big companies what hydrogen so bad they can make billions selling it just as they do on oil today
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      • Re: Change the Battery
        rden on 08/27/2007 at 11:55 AM
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        Battery packs would have to be standardized for swapping to take place much like  gas for your grill is the company owns the tank you own the grill and the gas  the company would own the battery pack you would own the car and the charge in it any way you look at it someone has to be able to make money off it or their isn’t going to be an infrastructure in place why do you think  big companies what hydrogen so bad they can make billions selling it just as they do on oil today
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  • How many EV's are actually distributed annually?
    Guest (ray) on 05/17/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    I've search and searched, but i can't find a figure for this...

    I'd like to know how big the whole pure EV Market is... just Battery Electrics, not Hybrids or FCEVs or such... and not just sales, but leases and 'placements' althogether...

    Anybody got any ideas?
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  • battery hire
    Guest (robin) on 08/06/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Is it possible to buy the electric car and rent the fully charged batteries when swaps are needed?
    Also I remember how large my initial cell phone battery was just ten years ago, now it's tiny. Once people start on a real commercial basis improvements may happen beyond all imagination.
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    • Re: battery hire
      arturik on 12/21/2006 at 3:44 AM
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      Hi, I recently read book "history of electric vehicle" and swapping batteries was already done, and very successful by Taxi Company,
      And with today technology there is no problem to make removable standard battery pack for standard taxi, or Delivery Company,
      I think it is best candidates for this trial by reason that they always circle the same places
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  • batteries for conversion
    jerbo1000 on 12/31/2006 at 8:57 AM
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    Hello,


    CAn anyone recommend batteries for converting a 95 saturn to electric that would provide a range of 100 miles and cost under 10,000?

    Jerbo
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  • battery that last 10 years
    brady1954 on 05/08/2007 at 12:39 PM
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    Why do car manufactures want to wait until a battery can last 10 years before they make electric cars?  The battery I have in my car now
    will not last 3 years.
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    • Re: battery that last 10 years
      soldier on 11/05/2007 at 1:49 AM
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      This sounds awesome.

      If United States really wanted to put a hurt on the Middle East.. they'ed put a bill out there that only hybrid and electric cars on the streets unless you had a permit for a gasoline vehicle.

      Such as semi-trucks, anything that had to deal with long hauls and such.

      We'd really put those damn Middle Eastern folks out of business.. and save the enviroment too !

      Also saving soldiers lives too.
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  • Lithium Ion Polyemer Battery car
    alfredrodriques on 01/04/2008 at 1:22 PM
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    Is it possible to power the car with an elelctric motor and also have  ethanol powered combustion  motor with several alternators charging the depleted batteries. The batteries  needs to be dividied in two groups primary and secondary and all placed under the seat using the entire floor board, easily accesible  by removing the seat for servicing. To begin with the car will run on primary battery and once depleted the ethanol motor will begin charging while the car runs on secondary battery and the same process  so on and so forth. The size of the motor could be determined by the experts. Remember the purpose is only for charging and  not for moving the entire car, as such one does not need a big motor. Just think of a generator./ Alternatively, we could also have power points  with the parking meter and for a nominal price get charge from the grid and  when home just plug it in to household outlet in the garage.

    Please  geniuses advise
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